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this email and this thing that's

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happening to you how would you feel if

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you started to realize there's someone

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or some thing watching and potentially

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pulling strings

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this is somewhere in the skies the

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Bransford

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following a frightening new lead into

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the mysterious Paranormal Activity

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hiding in the shadows of the Appalachian

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Mountains

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researchers Greg and Dana Newkirk along

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with Connor Randall Karl Pfeiffer and

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Tyler strand find themselves further

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down the rabbit hole of high strangeness

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than ever before from chasing modern-day

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sightings of supernatural entities like

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injured cold and the Mothman - venturing

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directly into the underground mazes of

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the mammoth cave system in attempting

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dangerous Paris psychological

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experiments with disturbing results

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season two of Hell yard

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follows every threat to get to the heart

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of the phenomena behind the elusive

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David Christie and the cryptic terry

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rest today we're talking to Greg and

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Connor about their personal experiences

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with this season of failure and what you

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should expect watching the investigation

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play out as they journey further down

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the rabbit hole let's get to our

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conversation with Greg Newkirk and

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Connor Randall I am here with Greg

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Newkirk and Connor Randall guys thank

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you for joining me on someone the skies

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literally days after the release of

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season two of Helier so thank you thank

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you for doing this dude we're excited to

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be here yeah this is the first interview

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that I've done post release so I'm

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excited to talk about it throwing you to

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the wolves McGann this is go I'll go

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easy on you I promise

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well that's kind of leads into my first

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question for both of you i I just

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finished the last episode moments ago

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before we hopped on here so this is

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fresh in my mind it's gonna be really

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hard my first question for both of you

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Greg let's start with you um how has it

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been received so far I know it's only

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been a couple days but what's the

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feedback been like in relation to just

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everything ah man unbelievable

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completely unexpected I mean we here's

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the thing I mean we we knew it was good

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we thought it was good of course we're

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always gonna think it was good and we

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it was gonna have a really great

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response but we are absolutely blown

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away I'm stunned frankly at how

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well-received it's been because there's

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some there's some weird ideas in there

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and some things you don't normally get

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to see on TV shows like this so to see

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it be it's really really embraced this

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weekend in its launch weekend you know

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was trending on Amazon Prime's trending

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TV it's still trending and I think in

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fact Connor if I'm correct yeah it is I

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know yes I just checked like an hour ago

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still they're still growing so that's

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got to be an incredible feeling Connor

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what do you think man how has it been so

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far this is sort of your your first dive

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into the world of of Hellyer with these

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guys I mean you were you did season one

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as well but this is a whole other level

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I would imagine it is and I am so proud

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that it's being received the way it was

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you know we were pretty I'd like to

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think fairly knowledgeable in season one

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but we were stumbling around a lot then

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and really if you think about it it was

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filmed over a pretty condensed period of

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time a much shorter period of time

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season 2 just took place over you know

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15 entire months and we and we really

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sat and we dug into the research really

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hard we were nervous that people were

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going to be thrown off or confused

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because hey we're confused but that's

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that's part of the beauty of it and

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people are accepting it and loving it

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and we just were just beaming from from

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ear to ear at these last three days man

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that's amazing I mean you mentioned

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stumble and that's a really good way to

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look at something like what you guys are

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doing I mean this isn't some scripted

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reality show where you've got this

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structure of how the first second and

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third act are gonna play out I mean you

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guys literally filmed things as they

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were happening and this is completely

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different for most paranormal television

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we're used to seeing where you're kind

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to know kind of like a you know a police

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procedural how everything's gonna pan

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out we're gonna we're gonna hear about a

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ghost we're gonna figure out who the

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ghost is we're gonna figure out what the

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ghost has to say to you and that's kind

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of a you know and

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is something completely next-level and I

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remember Carl was in New York City here

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maybe a few months ago and I was talking

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to him this is just after the first

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season had sort of wrapped and I'm like

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is there gonna be a season two and

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what's it gonna be about and I just

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remember he shook his head and he looked

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so yeah that was exciting when I knew

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that you guys were not done with this

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because clearly the phenomena was not

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done with you guys so I guess sort of to

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to catch people up could one of you

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maybe explain to us sort of the origin

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story of Hellyer I know that's a huge

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broad spectrum question but what what

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would what did the first season sort of

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encapsulate for you guys to kind of

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propel us into season two Greg maybe

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let's start with you the short story is

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in 2012 I got an email from a guy who

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said that there were goblins he didn't

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use the word goblins but there were

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little creatures coming out of a

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mineshaft

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on the edge of his property and they

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were scaring his kids they were stealing

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stuff out of his shed they were they

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stole his dog you know I thought well

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it's this is you know we get weird

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emails like that all the time just the

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nature of what we do and I thought well

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I was just somebody screwing around they

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just you know want me to write a story

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about it for we can weird and I sent

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back my stock response which is listen

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you know I'm living in Canada right now

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it's gonna be very difficult time

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consuming for me to get down there and

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check it out you're gonna have to give

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me some proof that you're not jerking my

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chain and he sends along all these

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photographs of these really weird

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three-toed footprints and these you know

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a typical paranormal fashion very

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out-of-focus blurry photographs that he

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says are of the creatures and you know

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the photographs of the prints were

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enough to get me excited about it

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because you know these you know sending

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it to the first people I could think of

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who knew anything about weird footprints

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were Bigfoot hunters in these Bigfoot

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hunters we're like well you know man

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these things look like they have dermal

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ridges you might want to take this a

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little more seriously and so I said all

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right let's go I'm in where do I have to

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go

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an email from a guy who went by the name

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Terry our wrist and he said you know why

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did you why'd you stop you know Helier

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was a symptom and the only reference I

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can find of this guy is in a really

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obscure book by Allan Greenfield ritual

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magician and you'll follow gist who

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interviews Terry wrists in the appendix

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of his book which is all about summoning

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extraterrestrial creatures and repelling

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extraterrestrial creatures via ritual

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magic really strange stuff that a not

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not the type of stuff that I dabbled in

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back then I was a ghost hunter back then

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so it just made the whole thing weirder

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and then the case just sort of sat until

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Dana and I ended up moving to the States

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and decided to go check out Helier the

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town where this all happened and when we

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were there the town had a weird feel

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there were people who had weird stories

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we ended up going and driving around and

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we found a house that looked so much

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like it could have been the place that

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this happened this could have been this

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David's house it hit all the the boxes

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and then we got super busy after that we

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meant to go back and follow up and and

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see what was going on but we ended up

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going and doing an episode of Finding

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and then our careers just kind of popped

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off and so we never went back years

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later Carl here's a interview with Jim

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Perry actually me talking about this

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case and he experienced all these

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synchronicities with it and he contacted

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me and said I think we're supposed to do

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this man

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I think we're supposed to go follow up

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on this which I wasn't even I mean it

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was like come on man we're not gonna

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find goblins what he thinks gonna happen

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but Carl pushed and because of that push

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we're really in over our heads right I

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know which kind of kind of is where we

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were left with the the first season of

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Hellyer is owned a lot more questions

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than answers I mean we were there with

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you trying to figure this out and

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you did mention alan greenfield sort of

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a legend for a lot of us UFO people he's

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like one of the oh geez

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to mixing your shares the occult and he

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kind of set up this decipher context for

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your journey so what was it like first

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of all for both of you to work with

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Allen Greenfield on this Connor what was

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that experience like it's kind of funny

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we've gone through this personality sort

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of shift in our ideas on Allen

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Greenfield he has gone from this really

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mysterious very suspicious figure to

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somebody that were actually you know

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Greg is in fairly regular contact which

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now there's like going through the

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mystery with us

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he had this strange shift of being

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suspect number one just suddenly being

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like oh wait no this this guy this

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figure that Allen Greenfield knew this

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tarry wrist we think was actually a real

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person you know a bit of a spoiler there

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but we're sitting there and it's like

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well hold on what canal and Greenfield

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tell us what does he know what was he on

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to back then and where can we sort of

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continue that work you know yeah yeah I

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mean when when you guys brought up the

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fact that Terry risks might be an actual

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person like I got goosebumps

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because then it's like this this um

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omnipresent sort of metaphor

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metaphorical figure that I also was

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convinced was Allen Greenfield I mean

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the guy is just a walking enigma I've

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had you know brief encounters with him

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it came with when I bought secrets i

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from view for nods my first copy of it

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and I I don't think I've ever told you

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guys this story I told Carl but when I

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got the book straight from Greenfield

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mind you I open it up in the first

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couple pages they're literally printed

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like diagonal on the page like they're

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shooting off the page I can't see how

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the text and I'm like what what is this

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like there must have been like a mixup

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with the printer or whatever and I'm

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going through the book and it's just

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sporadic pages throughout that had like

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this weird diagonal print so I'm missing

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half the text of the book and I call my

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father

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who

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been in the printing business for almost

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got 30 years now I'm like is this like

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it's it's diagonal on the page but then

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the next page isn't and this one like

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three pages more in is and he just told

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me like that's highly unusual that

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should not happen it's you know it would

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either be the entire text or like you

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know just the first page until they

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figure it out so I tried to contact

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Greenfield to be like look dude you sent

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me a faulty book and I never heard

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anything back from him so that was kind

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of my weird introduction to his work is

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I wanted to read it but I could not oh I

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don't know I don't know what to make of

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all that but um

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yeah Greg what what did you walk away

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after this season thinking of mr.

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Greenfield oh I I'm in love with him now

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I think he's great yeah he he is so

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funny because we like Connor said we had

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a very distinct opinion of him before we

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ended up going and I mean I had to email

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him back and forth and he's just you

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know he's very enigmatic he's an

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enigmatic guy and we had built up this

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idea in our heads of this guy who's this

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ritual magician and he's very mysterious

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and we go to meet him and the dude shows

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up in like a Hawaiian shirt and just

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proceeds through dinner to just blast

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out all these opinions that we had of

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him and was exceedingly exceedingly

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helpful and you know like like Connor

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said we've still been in contact with

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him you know he he offers up his

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thoughts on things and he's been

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extremely helpful and I think this is

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the cool thing is I don't think that our

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experience with him is very unique to us

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I think that a lot of people feel the

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same way about some of these big figures

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in old-school UF ology or or you know

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paranormal research or parapsychology or

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cryptozoology or whatever and so because

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of that they they sort of keep their

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distance but one of the things I hope

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people take out of Helier we interview a

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lot of people and it was not hard to do

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that all we had to do is ask and we got

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to go and sit and get this information

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director

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these people who strangely enough

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there's like nobody talking to it's

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really weird that is a very good point I

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think there is this sort of lying in the

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sand between the quote unquote new

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garner old guard of any of this ufology

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cryptozoology I feel like the younger

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people getting involved are intimidated

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to say the least I mean you look at

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these these drug or not steel and in

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Greenfield and all these old school

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researchers who went out there did the

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work boots on the ground travel the

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country interviewed people yeah made

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connections and you look today and a lot

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of the work that we do the younger

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generation is by the click of a few

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keystrokes so I'm not saying that's a

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bad thing no no no no there's room

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there's room for that for sure but there

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are certain things we've learned this

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firsthand through Hellyer there are

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certain things that you just cannot

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understand or have context for unless

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you just boots on the ground go go and

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do the interview go to that place feel

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what that place feels like see that

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Street and try and remember or think

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about how that Street would have looked

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when these events took place and I think

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it's gotten too easy to not do that now

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and that's a lesson we had to learn and

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I hope that it's a lesson other people

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will learn from us and then not make the

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same mistake and just go go to these

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places don't just sit on your computer

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Google Earth it go there to talk to

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these people

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exactly which is what you guys did and

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you actually brought a new member to the

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team yeah let's let's get to it mr.

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Tyler strand I've never heard of this

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guy before the minute you put him on

390
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camera I'm like whoa I feel like I just

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drank 10 Red Bulls so your monster

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energy drinks so apologies apologies 666

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yeah that's a different story so what

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prompted you to reach out to Tyler and

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what did he bring to the team in your

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furthering this investigation

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Tyler reached out to us okay I think the

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phenomena

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put him into the series I really see no

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other solution to it you know he if

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people watch season one they actually

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catch a glimpse of him and it was a

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synchronicity that made him show up

404
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interesting okay yeah I must have missed

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that in the first season but um yeah he

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did he brought like a whole new level of

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energy and passion that was there but

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that that I think a lot of the more

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adventurous of those out there who look

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into this stuff he's not afraid to go

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into the belly of the beast you know I

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mean he is just climbing mountains he's

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going into the caves he's he literally

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had like a throw down I think Greg with

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you about pursuing a certain lead or a

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coordinates where you guys you put the

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line in the Senate said no I'm not

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doing that and he said well then I'll do

419
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it and something else about Tyler that

420
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stuck out to me one line in an episode I

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don't want to give away too much but um

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he said I think one man's angel is

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another man's alien and that line

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resonated with me in so many ways I

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literally when he said that I was like

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hell yeah that is exactly what I've been

427
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trying to say for years sort of that

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that lens and the life that each person

429
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has it directly affects the perception

430
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of inexperience whether it's what you

431
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guys are doing whether it's aliens

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whether it's a miracle or the

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supernatural so I love to know both your

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personal thoughts on that you know sort

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of the lens in which you you perceive

436
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one of these events you know it's funny

437
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that statement is one that Tyler made in

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his interview and you know about a week

439
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afterwards and and when he said that

440
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especially given what he had just been

441
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through you know without giving too many

442
00:19:18,510 --> 00:19:15,250
spoilers but it was sort of brought home

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his perspective where I think he was

444
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really thrown off by these things where

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you know he's not scared I mean Tyler's

446
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really not scared of much honestly in my

447
00:19:32,490 --> 00:19:29,440
experience but but he was really felt

448
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this intimidating energy and really

449
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summed it up very succinctly by saying

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that I come from a little bit of a

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bring viewpoint because I'm you know I'm

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practicing Catholic and so there are

453
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some pretty clear lines and sand there

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from my viewpoint

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I think there's darker or scarier

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aspects of this case and I think that

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there's lighter aspects of this case and

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so whatever we can tap into to get help

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from those from those lighter energy

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uses is something that I'm definitely

461
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interested in looking more more into

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yeah how about you crack I mean I'm sure

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it I've been flowed every minute like

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you're dealing with goblins then you're

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dealing with communicating with aliens

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nope nope nope it's not an alien it's

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it's a it's a mythical God that

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everyone's forgotten you know just

469
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everything everything soon what is

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what's that concept to you mean you know

471
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this idea of one man's angel is

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another's alien I think what Tyler did

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is he really succinctly summed up a lot

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of what we started this whole case with

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which was this idea that there was some

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phenomena happening in the Appalachian

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in along the mammoth cave system but

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because these places were so segregated

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from one another people had given the

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phenomena different names so someone

481
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would call it one thing and another

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person would call it another it was a

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Tommyknocker or it was a goblin or it

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was a you know who knows whatever it was

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a Bigfoot but when you start to tie all

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of those things together you realize

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that's all the same thing it's just

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different names because people didn't

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have the context

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so Tyler saying one man's angel is

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another man's alien is it's the most

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succinct way to really show what we're

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looking at with this entire case is that

494
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it's just about the lens through which

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you view the world you can only describe

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something in the terms that you

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understand and so for one person an

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external force that seems omnipotent you

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know that's that's an angel but for

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another person that might be an

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extraterrestrial and for another person

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who knows it could be it could be

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anything else yeah there's there's

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entire books you know I'm sure that you

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know more about this than I do right

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looking at angelic and biblical

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proportions through sort of a youth

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illogical lens that's fascinating

509
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the other thing is like and Tyler said

510
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well as well and in an interview he did

511
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recently these reports from about

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goblins specifically the thing is is

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that we sort of gave them that blanket

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term goblins David never actually

515
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referred to them as goblins he referred

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to them as extraterrestrials and then

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gave that description that really fit

518
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well with the 1955 case in addition

519
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there's other reports the thing people

520
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who call them golems people who call

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them little beings little men little you

522
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know things like that if the reports are

523
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all over the place which frankly makes

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the job a little bit more difficult yeah

525
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absolutely well I think something that I

526
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think all three of us sort of have in

527
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common or had in common is our faith I

528
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mean Greg I remember you saying in the

529
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show you know you were you were raised

530
00:22:53,310 --> 00:22:49,990
very very religious Connor I know you're

531
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a a practicing Catholic I am myself and

532
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that that does play into a lot of these

533
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things I remember reading for the first

534
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time about the you know the sightings of

535
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Fatima and that now we look at something

536
00:23:10,409 --> 00:23:06,970
like that as perhaps one of the first

537
00:23:12,930 --> 00:23:10,419
UFO sightings something Fla has talked a

538
00:23:16,980 --> 00:23:12,940
lot about so it's exciting to me when

539
00:23:21,030 --> 00:23:16,990
you can come into these things with one

540
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faith and come out with it respecting

541
00:23:25,770 --> 00:23:24,040
perhaps another faith so I found that

542
00:23:27,720 --> 00:23:25,780
really fascinating the the things you

543
00:23:30,570 --> 00:23:27,730
decided to tackle on this season were

544
00:23:33,419 --> 00:23:30,580
big they're big they're controversial

545
00:23:36,180 --> 00:23:33,429
and I just I have to commend you guys

546
00:23:39,030 --> 00:23:36,190
for just staying open to everything that

547
00:23:41,280 --> 00:23:39,040
was sort of thrown your way and that's

548
00:23:43,710 --> 00:23:41,290
that's that can't be easy

549
00:23:53,120 --> 00:23:43,720
I would assume well work we're

550
00:23:56,070 --> 00:23:53,130
constantly scared I could only imagine

551
00:23:58,830 --> 00:23:56,080
well that's actually a really good a

552
00:24:02,909 --> 00:23:58,840
good transition Craig um being scared

553
00:24:03,790 --> 00:24:02,919
now you guys are kind of led down some

554
00:24:06,220 --> 00:24:03,800
dark road

555
00:24:10,240 --> 00:24:06,230
in one place in particular that you end

556
00:24:12,730 --> 00:24:10,250
up in this season and it was scary man

557
00:24:15,160 --> 00:24:12,740
I'm not gonna lie I was literally

558
00:24:17,110 --> 00:24:15,170
concerned for your guy's safety I mean

559
00:24:19,330 --> 00:24:17,120
we knew hello your season two was coming

560
00:24:22,870 --> 00:24:19,340
out and we knew you guys were still on

561
00:24:25,240 --> 00:24:22,880
social networks but you know what you

562
00:24:27,640 --> 00:24:25,250
may have experienced in the filming

563
00:24:30,970 --> 00:24:27,650
where we weren't quite sure of so what

564
00:24:34,720 --> 00:24:30,980
was it like struggling but sort of this

565
00:24:36,700 --> 00:24:34,730
idea of like becoming too paranoid I've

566
00:24:40,930 --> 00:24:36,710
seen a lot of the chatter online sort of

567
00:24:42,430 --> 00:24:40,940
the skeptics or the detractors of the

568
00:24:44,710 --> 00:24:42,440
ambitious things that you guys are doing

569
00:24:46,750 --> 00:24:44,720
saying oh they're just paranoid like

570
00:24:48,190 --> 00:24:46,760
they're making up along the way or

571
00:24:50,800 --> 00:24:48,200
finding connections that aren't there

572
00:24:53,410 --> 00:24:50,810
how do you deal with something like that

573
00:24:56,170 --> 00:24:53,420
when every small thing becomes a

574
00:24:57,520 --> 00:24:56,180
synchronicity for you I mean I think

575
00:25:00,010 --> 00:24:57,530
that's one of the biggest things in the

576
00:25:02,860 --> 00:25:00,020
second season the second season is us

577
00:25:04,390 --> 00:25:02,870
tackling this idea of at what point is

578
00:25:06,790 --> 00:25:04,400
it a connection and at what point is a

579
00:25:08,830 --> 00:25:06,800
sync is is it a synchronicity at what

580
00:25:10,420 --> 00:25:08,840
point are is it a small synchronicity in

581
00:25:13,030 --> 00:25:10,430
something maybe that's just a side

582
00:25:14,700 --> 00:25:13,040
effect of what we're doing and where

583
00:25:17,020 --> 00:25:14,710
we're going and what we're looking into

584
00:25:18,850 --> 00:25:17,030
and that's I mean that was a big part of

585
00:25:22,480 --> 00:25:18,860
our paranoia you know plus some of the

586
00:25:25,150 --> 00:25:22,490
new scarier elements that are sent to us

587
00:25:28,000 --> 00:25:25,160
in this case and some of the paths that

588
00:25:31,540 --> 00:25:28,010
we very reluctantly traveled down

589
00:25:34,780 --> 00:25:31,550
because honestly we had to those didn't

590
00:25:37,330 --> 00:25:34,790
help either and I mean I'm naturally a

591
00:25:39,040 --> 00:25:37,340
paranoid person you can ask Connor Karl

592
00:25:41,920 --> 00:25:39,050
or anybody about it and probably the

593
00:25:44,920 --> 00:25:41,930
most paranoid person in this group but I

594
00:25:48,100 --> 00:25:44,930
think the further down this path we went

595
00:25:50,560 --> 00:25:48,110
the more paranoid everybody else Scott -

596
00:25:55,390 --> 00:25:50,570
except maybe Tyler because Tyler just

597
00:25:59,010 --> 00:25:55,400
doesn't care but it's it's tough it's I

598
00:26:01,590 --> 00:25:59,020
think the hardest thing about Helier is

599
00:26:04,180 --> 00:26:01,600
bringing people into that moment with us

600
00:26:07,060 --> 00:26:04,190
which I think we've done a really really

601
00:26:10,420 --> 00:26:07,070
good job of this season it is putting

602
00:26:13,390 --> 00:26:10,430
people in our shoes and going how would

603
00:26:15,250 --> 00:26:13,400
you react if you got these emails how

604
00:26:17,289 --> 00:26:15,260
would you react if you started noticing

605
00:26:20,529 --> 00:26:17,299
that there were connection

606
00:26:22,239 --> 00:26:20,539
between this email and this thing that's

607
00:26:24,879 --> 00:26:22,249
happening to you how would you feel if

608
00:26:28,690 --> 00:26:24,889
you started to realize there is someone

609
00:26:32,499 --> 00:26:28,700
or some thing watching and potentially

610
00:26:35,289 --> 00:26:32,509
pulling strings and I think we feel that

611
00:26:37,659 --> 00:26:35,299
more in this second season I think just

612
00:26:39,789 --> 00:26:37,669
because it's objectively a darker and

613
00:26:43,269 --> 00:26:39,799
scarier season than the first season and

614
00:26:45,419 --> 00:26:43,279
the connections are so much more hard to

615
00:26:48,489 --> 00:26:45,429
deny I mean there's a lot of people who

616
00:26:50,590 --> 00:26:48,499
probably won't give Hellyer a second

617
00:26:52,180 --> 00:26:50,600
chance because they saw the first season

618
00:26:53,529 --> 00:26:52,190
and thought well you know I think

619
00:26:55,899 --> 00:26:53,539
they're making a mountain out of a

620
00:26:59,019 --> 00:26:55,909
molehill thing is we said from the very

621
00:27:02,409 --> 00:26:59,029
beginning season 1 is just a prologue we

622
00:27:04,570 --> 00:27:02,419
started shooting season 2 months before

623
00:27:06,369 --> 00:27:04,580
season 1 it was even released so we've

624
00:27:10,239 --> 00:27:06,379
had to keep our mouths shut about this

625
00:27:12,759 --> 00:27:10,249
for a long time in fact the sixth

626
00:27:16,330 --> 00:27:12,769
episode of the 10 episodes second season

627
00:27:19,830 --> 00:27:16,340
is the release of the first season so

628
00:27:22,299 --> 00:27:19,840
people can see how things have moved so

629
00:27:24,279 --> 00:27:22,309
anyone who felt that way after watching

630
00:27:26,970 --> 00:27:24,289
the first season I would say I would

631
00:27:29,769 --> 00:27:26,980
with a super huge amount of confidence

632
00:27:31,690 --> 00:27:29,779
watch the second season and you will

633
00:27:33,879 --> 00:27:31,700
reevaluate all of the things that happen

634
00:27:36,220 --> 00:27:33,889
in the first season and see how

635
00:27:38,409 --> 00:27:36,230
important they actually were absolutely

636
00:27:41,289 --> 00:27:38,419
I think I'm gonna go watch everything in

637
00:27:43,269 --> 00:27:41,299
Reverse now and see what comes out on

638
00:27:45,879 --> 00:27:43,279
the other side Connor what do you think

639
00:27:47,889 --> 00:27:45,889
man howdy how did you deal with sort of

640
00:27:50,859 --> 00:27:47,899
the the paranoia aspect of all this

641
00:27:53,619 --> 00:27:50,869
feeling like you guys might you might

642
00:27:57,039 --> 00:27:53,629
have been led that that's terrifying to

643
00:27:59,649 --> 00:27:57,049
me mm-hmm it is it absolutely is you

644
00:28:01,779 --> 00:27:59,659
know Greg is the one at the heart of

645
00:28:04,539 --> 00:28:01,789
this case you know we all have are

646
00:28:07,049 --> 00:28:04,549
helping him out and our and our this has

647
00:28:10,269 --> 00:28:07,059
become our case too but at its base form

648
00:28:13,269 --> 00:28:10,279
this is Greg's case before anybody

649
00:28:15,279 --> 00:28:13,279
else's the emails were sent to him the

650
00:28:18,729 --> 00:28:15,289
idea of somebody watching what he's

651
00:28:21,249 --> 00:28:18,739
doing and watching my friend go through

652
00:28:23,649 --> 00:28:21,259
that paranoia I mean I've seen Greg get

653
00:28:26,739 --> 00:28:23,659
very emotional on all of the other sides

654
00:28:29,489 --> 00:28:26,749
of the spectrum about this case so it's

655
00:28:31,180 --> 00:28:29,499
something that's deeply personal it is

656
00:28:35,530 --> 00:28:31,190
really difficult

657
00:28:37,210 --> 00:28:35,540
to describe what a synchronistic aspect

658
00:28:38,860 --> 00:28:37,220
is like and I hope that there

659
00:28:41,170 --> 00:28:38,870
I'm sure there's listeners that are

660
00:28:42,400 --> 00:28:41,180
shaking their heads no like that what

661
00:28:44,410 --> 00:28:42,410
are you talking about and I'm sure

662
00:28:46,990 --> 00:28:44,420
there's listeners who are fully agreeing

663
00:28:50,470 --> 00:28:47,000
with me things like when you are

664
00:28:52,690 --> 00:28:50,480
thinking about something you open up a

665
00:28:54,100 --> 00:28:52,700
book and exactly the sentence that you

666
00:28:57,100 --> 00:28:54,110
look at is the word that you were

667
00:29:00,070 --> 00:28:57,110
thinking about except sometimes tenfold

668
00:29:03,370 --> 00:29:00,080
more powerful than that it feels as if

669
00:29:05,890 --> 00:29:03,380
there's some force that is wanting to

670
00:29:07,390 --> 00:29:05,900
guide you through these checkpoints it's

671
00:29:11,260 --> 00:29:07,400
something that we've struggled with

672
00:29:14,350 --> 00:29:11,270
trying to explain but as we said pretty

673
00:29:18,160 --> 00:29:14,360
early on in season two we think that it

674
00:29:20,470 --> 00:29:18,170
might just be sort of once people tap

675
00:29:24,010 --> 00:29:20,480
into this level of high strangeness it

676
00:29:26,230 --> 00:29:24,020
might just be a side effect of something

677
00:29:29,620 --> 00:29:26,240
that that can occur around you while

678
00:29:31,660 --> 00:29:29,630
you're doing that yeah yeah this idea of

679
00:29:32,980 --> 00:29:31,670
symptoms symptoms side effect it just

680
00:29:36,460 --> 00:29:32,990
keeps coming back and back and back

681
00:29:38,890 --> 00:29:36,470
which builds on to a greater question

682
00:29:40,300 --> 00:29:38,900
towards the end of season 2 I would say

683
00:29:42,160 --> 00:29:40,310
but we won't we're not gonna give

684
00:29:44,770 --> 00:29:42,170
anything away in terms of that but um

685
00:29:46,900 --> 00:29:44,780
something that fascinated me guys I am a

686
00:29:47,530 --> 00:29:46,910
UFO guy so I gotta turn it back on this

687
00:29:50,710 --> 00:29:47,540
for a minute

688
00:29:53,320 --> 00:29:50,720
awesome the experiment you conducted

689
00:29:55,360 --> 00:29:53,330
Greg early on before any of this where

690
00:29:59,830 --> 00:29:55,370
you induced an alien abduction

691
00:30:04,450 --> 00:29:59,840
experience what do you think about that

692
00:30:06,550 --> 00:30:04,460
well okay so I struck yeah yeah I've

693
00:30:08,130 --> 00:30:06,560
always struggled with hypnotic

694
00:30:12,910 --> 00:30:08,140
regression when it comes of course

695
00:30:16,960 --> 00:30:12,920
experiences I I would I have to say this

696
00:30:18,400 --> 00:30:16,970
I I don't suggest it to those who come

697
00:30:21,370 --> 00:30:18,410
to me and say I've been abducted by

698
00:30:25,660 --> 00:30:21,380
aliens worse not not because I don't

699
00:30:27,910 --> 00:30:25,670
believe memories can be brought up I I'm

700
00:30:29,500 --> 00:30:27,920
more concerned about the trauma those

701
00:30:32,110 --> 00:30:29,510
memories can cause to the person

702
00:30:34,330 --> 00:30:32,120
afterwards interesting yeah I don't

703
00:30:38,950 --> 00:30:34,340
necessarily think that they're being led

704
00:30:41,890 --> 00:30:38,960
or that the the hypnotic regressor

705
00:30:43,840 --> 00:30:41,900
quote-unquote is trying to put their

706
00:30:44,770 --> 00:30:43,850
agenda on anything human you think

707
00:30:48,550 --> 00:30:44,780
they're buried for

708
00:30:50,740 --> 00:30:48,560
reason absolutely I have nerve and I've

709
00:30:53,260 --> 00:30:50,750
had so many experiences who don't need

710
00:30:55,230 --> 00:30:53,270
the regression to remember certain

711
00:30:58,720 --> 00:30:55,240
things and that's when I'm like okay

712
00:31:01,270 --> 00:30:58,730
don't go to a hip you know don't go to

713
00:31:02,890 --> 00:31:01,280
hypnotherapy go to a therapist a

714
00:31:05,320 --> 00:31:02,900
certified therapist who has no

715
00:31:08,290 --> 00:31:05,330
connection to aliens or UFOs whatsoever

716
00:31:09,910 --> 00:31:08,300
because you need you just need help you

717
00:31:12,670 --> 00:31:09,920
have you don't need to know what

718
00:31:16,720 --> 00:31:12,680
happened on that craft necessarily you

719
00:31:18,490 --> 00:31:16,730
just need her help so this was really

720
00:31:20,890 --> 00:31:18,500
fascinating when I learned that you

721
00:31:24,460 --> 00:31:20,900
conducted an experiment where you put

722
00:31:27,100 --> 00:31:24,470
someone under and put implanted an alien

723
00:31:30,010 --> 00:31:27,110
abduction scenario into their mind

724
00:31:32,470 --> 00:31:30,020
so how how did that whole thing come

725
00:31:35,410 --> 00:31:32,480
about and how did it sort of play into

726
00:31:38,230 --> 00:31:35,420
the greater story of failure well the

727
00:31:42,510 --> 00:31:38,240
experiment happened because we were

728
00:31:46,810 --> 00:31:42,520
shooting a web series years ago

729
00:31:50,770 --> 00:31:46,820
2012-2013 and it was me my friends Nick

730
00:31:53,680 --> 00:31:50,780
Jason and Dana and the whole point of

731
00:31:57,250 --> 00:31:53,690
the show that we were trying to make was

732
00:32:00,010 --> 00:31:57,260
we're gonna go and like test-drive stuff

733
00:32:01,810 --> 00:32:00,020
weird stuff right so the the the name of

734
00:32:04,090 --> 00:32:01,820
the show was engaging the strange and

735
00:32:05,260 --> 00:32:04,100
that's kind of been our motto for a lot

736
00:32:07,630 --> 00:32:05,270
of the stuff that we do with planet

737
00:32:09,640 --> 00:32:07,640
weird is like engage the strange the

738
00:32:11,980 --> 00:32:09,650
paranormal is a subjective thing so you

739
00:32:14,500 --> 00:32:11,990
have to subject yourself to it and that

740
00:32:15,880 --> 00:32:14,510
was the goal of this series and so we

741
00:32:17,230 --> 00:32:15,890
went around you know we were we were

742
00:32:20,500 --> 00:32:17,240
swimming in Fountain of Youth we were

743
00:32:22,450 --> 00:32:20,510
drinking blood with vampires we were you

744
00:32:23,110 --> 00:32:22,460
know we we tried to get abducted by

745
00:32:25,090 --> 00:32:23,120
aliens

746
00:32:29,110 --> 00:32:25,100
that was the the goal let's get abducted

747
00:32:30,820 --> 00:32:29,120
by aliens now as Connor and Karl will

748
00:32:32,710 --> 00:32:30,830
tell you I'm a person who doesn't like

749
00:32:34,840 --> 00:32:32,720
to do something if I don't know it's a

750
00:32:37,300 --> 00:32:34,850
sure thing I want to have an idea of

751
00:32:39,310 --> 00:32:37,310
what's gonna happen right I want to know

752
00:32:41,890 --> 00:32:39,320
that there's a there's an end so Helier

753
00:32:43,840 --> 00:32:41,900
has been a very difficult a difficult

754
00:32:47,080 --> 00:32:43,850
project for me to work on I'm better now

755
00:32:48,490 --> 00:32:47,090
than I was before but because of that I

756
00:32:50,650 --> 00:32:48,500
kind of knew we weren't gonna get

757
00:32:53,650 --> 00:32:50,660
abducted by aliens I had low hopes for

758
00:32:56,110 --> 00:32:53,660
that at least so I reached out to a

759
00:32:58,810 --> 00:32:56,120
friend of mine who did some writing for

760
00:33:02,020 --> 00:32:58,820
weak and weird and I said Lani

761
00:33:04,000 --> 00:33:02,030
you're a hypnotist I know that you do

762
00:33:05,200 --> 00:33:04,010
you know I don't Lonnie never did these

763
00:33:07,150 --> 00:33:05,210
because he didn't he didn't agree that

764
00:33:08,440 --> 00:33:07,160
they were ethical but I was like I know

765
00:33:12,030 --> 00:33:08,450
that a lot of people do regression

766
00:33:15,370 --> 00:33:12,040
sessions for abductees but do you think

767
00:33:17,140 --> 00:33:15,380
you could put an alien abduction in

768
00:33:19,630 --> 00:33:17,150
somebody's head that he's like yeah

769
00:33:21,280 --> 00:33:19,640
absolutely of course I can but I'm never

770
00:33:22,750 --> 00:33:21,290
gonna do that he's like that's terrible

771
00:33:26,110 --> 00:33:22,760
and I was like what if we all agree he's

772
00:33:27,640 --> 00:33:26,120
like absolutely not and then he was like

773
00:33:30,250 --> 00:33:27,650
you know what I thought about it I think

774
00:33:32,080 --> 00:33:30,260
we should try it as long as you know I'm

775
00:33:33,430 --> 00:33:32,090
only gonna do it for one of you and as

776
00:33:36,850 --> 00:33:33,440
long as you know that you're all on the

777
00:33:38,470 --> 00:33:36,860
same place and I can put the idea in but

778
00:33:42,190 --> 00:33:38,480
sometimes it might be a bit harder to

779
00:33:43,750 --> 00:33:42,200
get out and so this idea was we tried to

780
00:33:46,270 --> 00:33:43,760
get abducted the old-fashioned way and

781
00:33:48,370 --> 00:33:46,280
since that didn't work let's try it a

782
00:33:50,830 --> 00:33:48,380
different way and we went into it purely

783
00:33:52,480 --> 00:33:50,840
as a you know what's this experience

784
00:33:54,130 --> 00:33:52,490
gonna be like we're gonna get to send

785
00:33:56,980 --> 00:33:54,140
one of our friends on this journey into

786
00:33:59,830 --> 00:33:56,990
his own mind and then interview him

787
00:34:02,170 --> 00:33:59,840
afterwards we'd see how it would line up

788
00:34:04,120 --> 00:34:02,180
with traditional abduction experiences

789
00:34:06,730 --> 00:34:04,130
how was it the same how was it different

790
00:34:08,710 --> 00:34:06,740
how much did Lonnie have to lead him

791
00:34:11,830 --> 00:34:08,720
into this situation how much would his

792
00:34:13,780 --> 00:34:11,840
mind fill in it happened when it

793
00:34:15,909 --> 00:34:13,790
happened it wasn't supposed to be Jason

794
00:34:20,830 --> 00:34:15,919
that went we were gonna send our friend

795
00:34:23,169 --> 00:34:20,840
Nick and Jason before Lonnie had shown

796
00:34:24,700 --> 00:34:23,179
up it's like spent half an hour talking

797
00:34:26,830 --> 00:34:24,710
about how he didn't believe in hypnosis

798
00:34:28,270 --> 00:34:26,840
and how when he was in high school you

799
00:34:30,520 --> 00:34:28,280
know he did one of those like local fare

800
00:34:35,560 --> 00:34:30,530
hypnosis things and he just played along

801
00:34:37,270 --> 00:34:35,570
and when I brought this up you know I

802
00:34:39,040 --> 00:34:37,280
was like listen you know Jason doesn't

803
00:34:39,659 --> 00:34:39,050
believe in hypnosis should we believe in

804
00:34:42,550 --> 00:34:39,669
hypnosis

805
00:34:44,409 --> 00:34:42,560
Lonnie went you know what I think he's

806
00:34:46,680 --> 00:34:44,419
the perfect victim

807
00:34:49,270 --> 00:34:46,690
well not victim here that he's a perfect

808
00:34:51,880 --> 00:34:49,280
he's the perfect experience there for

809
00:34:55,260 --> 00:34:51,890
this and so that's why he ended up going

810
00:35:00,000 --> 00:34:55,270
and it it resulted in a really

811
00:35:03,820 --> 00:35:00,010
frightening experience you know he was

812
00:35:05,170 --> 00:35:03,830
only under for 20-30 minutes and he had

813
00:35:07,000 --> 00:35:05,180
an experience that was four days long

814
00:35:08,770 --> 00:35:07,010
and it wasn't a nice one

815
00:35:10,930 --> 00:35:08,780
and he was barely led into that

816
00:35:12,160 --> 00:35:10,940
experience and it really changed my

817
00:35:13,900 --> 00:35:12,170
opinion

818
00:35:17,230 --> 00:35:13,910
what's happening with a lot of abduction

819
00:35:18,579 --> 00:35:17,240
phenomena to believing that a lot of the

820
00:35:20,500 --> 00:35:18,589
stuff that's happening during these

821
00:35:22,240 --> 00:35:20,510
abduction experiences and we've hung out

822
00:35:25,210 --> 00:35:22,250
and talked to abductees since then and

823
00:35:27,190 --> 00:35:25,220
they have agreed there's a non-physical

824
00:35:29,200 --> 00:35:27,200
aspect that happens to these and a lot

825
00:35:32,530 --> 00:35:29,210
of those abductees are like all you did

826
00:35:35,260 --> 00:35:32,540
was turn him on you you invited them to

827
00:35:36,789 --> 00:35:35,270
give him an expand on physical

828
00:35:39,400 --> 00:35:36,799
experience that's just as real as any

829
00:35:42,789 --> 00:35:39,410
physical experience and it really it

830
00:35:46,089 --> 00:35:42,799
frightened us the implications of that I

831
00:35:48,039 --> 00:35:46,099
mean I I work here in New York on

832
00:35:52,150 --> 00:35:48,049
Broadway and I'm currently working a

833
00:35:54,910 --> 00:35:52,160
production of Darren brown on Broadway

834
00:35:57,839 --> 00:35:54,920
The Mentalist wonderful I'm here he's

835
00:36:01,359 --> 00:35:57,849
amazing and that's the thing like I I

836
00:36:04,510 --> 00:36:01,369
was never a big proponent of hypnosis I

837
00:36:07,930 --> 00:36:04,520
I've said it many many times and I watch

838
00:36:10,839 --> 00:36:07,940
this guy eight shows a week put someone

839
00:36:12,640 --> 00:36:10,849
under with literally putting their own

840
00:36:15,339 --> 00:36:12,650
hand in front of their face just like

841
00:36:17,380 --> 00:36:15,349
you guys did and right catching them in

842
00:36:19,950 --> 00:36:17,390
the most vulnerable mental state they

843
00:36:22,180 --> 00:36:19,960
can possibly be and going under and

844
00:36:26,349 --> 00:36:22,190
short-circuiting their brains oh my god

845
00:36:29,410 --> 00:36:26,359
it's it's amazing it's scary to see how

846
00:36:32,890 --> 00:36:29,420
easily that happens right easy I mean if

847
00:36:35,319 --> 00:36:32,900
if like the military got all these

848
00:36:37,720 --> 00:36:35,329
mentalists together imagine imagine what

849
00:36:45,910 --> 00:36:37,730
they could do with these people and who

850
00:36:50,470 --> 00:36:45,920
says they're not that or of Darren brown

851
00:36:53,710 --> 00:36:50,480
I don't know but yeah so he goes under

852
00:36:58,349 --> 00:36:53,720
he has this incredible abduction story

853
00:37:01,410 --> 00:36:58,359
come home and this kind of plays into

854
00:37:04,180 --> 00:37:01,420
the bigger picture of Hellyer and

855
00:37:08,500 --> 00:37:04,190
communicating with possible non-human

856
00:37:11,079 --> 00:37:08,510
entities which I'm fascinating regarding

857
00:37:13,630 --> 00:37:11,089
the experiment the hypnosis experiment

858
00:37:15,789 --> 00:37:13,640
Jason there's there's three things that

859
00:37:18,280 --> 00:37:15,799
have could have possibly happened in my

860
00:37:21,520 --> 00:37:18,290
mind because we know that he was

861
00:37:23,500 --> 00:37:21,530
hypnotized and was not faking it so

862
00:37:26,440 --> 00:37:23,510
dismissing that there's three

863
00:37:28,960 --> 00:37:26,450
possibilities that I could think of

864
00:37:30,700 --> 00:37:28,970
first up maybe his maybe his

865
00:37:32,500 --> 00:37:30,710
subconscious made it up why his

866
00:37:34,660 --> 00:37:32,510
subconscious would do that I have no

867
00:37:38,020 --> 00:37:34,670
idea I think some of the more likely

868
00:37:40,420 --> 00:37:38,030
scenarios would be either number two he

869
00:37:42,820 --> 00:37:40,430
already had something happened to him

870
00:37:47,350 --> 00:37:42,830
and it was a potential accidental

871
00:37:49,360 --> 00:37:47,360
regression or number three we he was

872
00:37:51,640 --> 00:37:49,370
tapped in he was tapped into an

873
00:37:54,910 --> 00:37:51,650
experienced and to some sort of higher

874
00:37:58,210 --> 00:37:54,920
level of beings or something and it just

875
00:38:00,550 --> 00:37:58,220
sort of created a a quick shortcut to

876
00:38:03,100 --> 00:38:00,560
get to that sort of an experience and so

877
00:38:05,740 --> 00:38:03,110
going forward our thought was well shoot

878
00:38:08,920 --> 00:38:05,750
Greg you had this really interesting

879
00:38:11,830 --> 00:38:08,930
scary idea to do this if he was tapped

880
00:38:13,840 --> 00:38:11,840
in and were potentially dealing with

881
00:38:15,910 --> 00:38:13,850
with extraterrestrials or aliens or

882
00:38:18,340 --> 00:38:15,920
ultra terrestrials in this case why

883
00:38:20,560 --> 00:38:18,350
don't we try to get tapped in mmm so

884
00:38:24,310 --> 00:38:20,570
that was that thought process there yeah

885
00:38:28,480 --> 00:38:24,320
and you that sort of bleeds into Carl in

886
00:38:30,790 --> 00:38:28,490
his his influence and contributions this

887
00:38:34,330 --> 00:38:30,800
season not only shooting a beautiful

888
00:38:37,090 --> 00:38:34,340
series but also going under himself

889
00:38:39,610 --> 00:38:37,100
again putting himself out there like all

890
00:38:45,960 --> 00:38:39,620
he did throughout this season and he had

891
00:38:53,500 --> 00:38:51,010
gateways you know this whole ultra

892
00:38:57,430 --> 00:38:53,510
terrestrial extraterrestrial

893
00:38:59,620 --> 00:38:57,440
I don't even know I can't find words to

894
00:39:02,290 --> 00:38:59,630
describe anything I'm trying to ask guys

895
00:39:05,170 --> 00:39:02,300
and I think that's how here equal listen

896
00:39:08,470 --> 00:39:05,180
let me letters let me provide context

897
00:39:11,110 --> 00:39:08,480
for this please do because I am strong

898
00:39:12,670 --> 00:39:11,120
we decided to do this when we decided to

899
00:39:15,700 --> 00:39:12,680
do this there are a few reasons and one

900
00:39:17,680 --> 00:39:15,710
of them was at the time we thought that

901
00:39:20,170 --> 00:39:17,690
one of the the emails that Terry wrists

902
00:39:22,060 --> 00:39:20,180
had sent you know there were you there

903
00:39:23,710 --> 00:39:22,070
were coordinate points in it that's what

904
00:39:26,200 --> 00:39:23,720
we believed that these were coordinate

905
00:39:28,180 --> 00:39:26,210
points to Brown Mountain and one of the

906
00:39:30,850 --> 00:39:28,190
things that Connor jogged loose in one

907
00:39:32,620 --> 00:39:30,860
of our interviews was is there anything

908
00:39:35,080 --> 00:39:32,630
else that you could have been doing at

909
00:39:37,630 --> 00:39:35,090
Brown Mountain well the reason that we

910
00:39:39,250 --> 00:39:37,640
went to brown Mountain was to try and

911
00:39:40,810 --> 00:39:39,260
get abducted by aliens

912
00:39:42,970 --> 00:39:40,820
but alien cave based thing you know

913
00:39:44,620 --> 00:39:42,980
hanging out with Micah Hanks you know it

914
00:39:47,620 --> 00:39:44,630
was just an offhand comment you know

915
00:39:49,750 --> 00:39:47,630
somewhat sarcastic that Micah Hanks had

916
00:39:51,070 --> 00:39:49,760
had made about oh there's this person

917
00:39:52,930 --> 00:39:51,080
who thinks there's an alien cave base

918
00:39:56,290 --> 00:39:52,940
here and we just my brains just went Oh

919
00:39:58,300 --> 00:39:56,300
Helier we weren't there for that we were

920
00:40:00,970 --> 00:39:58,310
there to try and get abducted and so

921
00:40:03,250 --> 00:40:00,980
that that put a new context for those

922
00:40:05,260 --> 00:40:03,260
emails that said why did you stop when

923
00:40:07,390 --> 00:40:05,270
you were so close in coordinates that

924
00:40:10,180 --> 00:40:07,400
appeared to be a brown mountain so

925
00:40:11,620 --> 00:40:10,190
that's part of the reason we did this we

926
00:40:14,050 --> 00:40:11,630
thought maybe we were supposed to do

927
00:40:16,780 --> 00:40:14,060
this and then when it came to actually

928
00:40:18,840 --> 00:40:16,790
doing this experiment again we did it we

929
00:40:22,420 --> 00:40:18,850
did it a little bit differently because

930
00:40:25,740 --> 00:40:22,430
the experiment we'd done with Jason

931
00:40:28,030 --> 00:40:25,750
didn't end very well he actually

932
00:40:30,460 --> 00:40:28,040
genuinely started to believe that he had

933
00:40:34,349 --> 00:40:30,470
been abducted by aliens and had to work

934
00:40:38,260 --> 00:40:34,359
with Lani for a long time afterwards to

935
00:40:39,849 --> 00:40:38,270
erase it more or less we interviewed him

936
00:40:42,780 --> 00:40:39,859
years later which people see in season

937
00:40:44,890 --> 00:40:42,790
two and not only does he believe in

938
00:40:47,980 --> 00:40:44,900
extraterrestrials which he did not

939
00:40:50,380 --> 00:40:47,990
before he had a fear of

940
00:40:53,890 --> 00:40:50,390
extraterrestrials like he got nervous at

941
00:40:56,830 --> 00:40:53,900
the very discussion of this experiment

942
00:40:58,810 --> 00:40:56,840
so it had changed his personality in a

943
00:41:01,300 --> 00:40:58,820
fundamental way we didn't want to do who

944
00:41:03,220 --> 00:41:01,310
that exactly again so we kind of

945
00:41:06,340 --> 00:41:03,230
reworked it a little bit and when it

946
00:41:08,260 --> 00:41:06,350
came time to choose who was gonna go it

947
00:41:11,260 --> 00:41:08,270
really came down to Karl and Connor

948
00:41:13,660 --> 00:41:11,270
because it's I don't think it's secret

949
00:41:16,480 --> 00:41:13,670
Karl and Connor are the most objective

950
00:41:18,160 --> 00:41:16,490
people on the team it obviously wasn't

951
00:41:21,580 --> 00:41:18,170
gonna be strand cuz his brains filled

952
00:41:24,130 --> 00:41:21,590
with all kinds of funky ideas and Dana

953
00:41:25,480 --> 00:41:24,140
and I are you know I'm paranoid so my

954
00:41:27,460 --> 00:41:25,490
thought is well I'm gonna have a bad

955
00:41:29,740 --> 00:41:27,470
experience if I do this I'm already a

956
00:41:32,200 --> 00:41:29,750
paranoid person there's too much I had

957
00:41:35,050 --> 00:41:32,210
too much fear in my brain at that time

958
00:41:37,240 --> 00:41:35,060
there's no way and you know do Dana

959
00:41:41,020 --> 00:41:37,250
you know she's she's a very magical

960
00:41:42,520 --> 00:41:41,030
thinker so when it comes to who's the

961
00:41:44,380 --> 00:41:42,530
audience going to trust for this

962
00:41:45,370 --> 00:41:44,390
experience it came down to well Karl is

963
00:41:48,760 --> 00:41:45,380
the eyes of the audience

964
00:41:52,600 --> 00:41:48,770
he's de-facto the most objective person

965
00:41:56,170 --> 00:41:52,610
out of all of us so sending him

966
00:41:58,870 --> 00:41:56,180
like the right idea and his experience

967
00:42:00,760 --> 00:41:58,880
was very strange there was a lot of

968
00:42:03,310 --> 00:42:00,770
weird stuff that came up with like you

969
00:42:05,710 --> 00:42:03,320
know that were potentially opening

970
00:42:09,670 --> 00:42:05,720
gateways but I think the weirder thing

971
00:42:12,510 --> 00:42:09,680
to me is the fact that he functionally

972
00:42:17,820 --> 00:42:12,520
predicted the future while he was under

973
00:42:21,220 --> 00:42:17,830
that's insanity right right yeah it's

974
00:42:23,320 --> 00:42:21,230
again it's so hard to like to talk about

975
00:42:27,400 --> 00:42:23,330
this without giving anything away but

976
00:42:28,720 --> 00:42:27,410
yeah it was a moment of Revelation that

977
00:42:30,850 --> 00:42:28,730
I think people have to see for

978
00:42:34,240 --> 00:42:30,860
themselves but for sure Greg you do

979
00:42:36,520 --> 00:42:34,250
mention Dana she is like this super star

980
00:42:41,200 --> 00:42:36,530
of the back half of this season I was

981
00:42:44,410 --> 00:42:41,210
she is right my god when I saw the sort

982
00:42:47,200 --> 00:42:44,420
of the witch and Dana teasing in the

983
00:42:50,050 --> 00:42:47,210
first season she went full-blown witch

984
00:42:52,570 --> 00:42:50,060
this time and anything it brought it

985
00:42:56,320 --> 00:42:52,580
brought some of the biggest revelations

986
00:42:58,900 --> 00:42:56,330
of the entire season again that you guys

987
00:43:00,520 --> 00:42:58,910
kind of walked out of with season 2 so

988
00:43:03,370 --> 00:43:00,530
again I we don't want to give away the

989
00:43:06,930 --> 00:43:03,380
big the big reveals but what was it like

990
00:43:11,590 --> 00:43:06,940
stepping into her world you had a very

991
00:43:14,290 --> 00:43:11,600
personal experience with the stuff that

992
00:43:16,870 --> 00:43:14,300
Dana was doing this season so what was

993
00:43:19,630 --> 00:43:16,880
that like I mean I'm I'm fairly used to

994
00:43:21,460 --> 00:43:19,640
it oh yeah because you know she's she's

995
00:43:22,990 --> 00:43:21,470
my wife some people think she's my

996
00:43:26,250 --> 00:43:23,000
sister we have a White Stripes thing

997
00:43:29,770 --> 00:43:26,260
going on so people aren't really sure

998
00:43:32,020 --> 00:43:29,780
but I'm fairly used to it because this

999
00:43:33,910 --> 00:43:32,030
is you know that's who Dana is if

1000
00:43:36,100 --> 00:43:33,920
anything she toned it down a lot in the

1001
00:43:38,470 --> 00:43:36,110
first season which I think has a lot to

1002
00:43:40,720 --> 00:43:38,480
do with the fact that when we shot the

1003
00:43:43,120 --> 00:43:40,730
first season we didn't really know Karl

1004
00:43:45,490 --> 00:43:43,130
and Connor very well and now we're like

1005
00:43:47,170 --> 00:43:45,500
super great best friends you know we we

1006
00:43:48,760 --> 00:43:47,180
are on the chat line talking to each

1007
00:43:51,070 --> 00:43:48,770
other every day where we're going

1008
00:43:53,530 --> 00:43:51,080
through a very an experience that has

1009
00:43:56,430 --> 00:43:53,540
bonded us so it's a different thing and

1010
00:43:58,960 --> 00:43:56,440
I think because of that we all kind of

1011
00:44:01,600 --> 00:43:58,970
let our guards down around each other

1012
00:44:04,270 --> 00:44:01,610
now so we know we know who each other

1013
00:44:06,520 --> 00:44:04,280
are and we've accepted who each other

1014
00:44:10,960 --> 00:44:06,530
are and a big part of that is Dana

1015
00:44:13,630 --> 00:44:10,970
being a pagan being a witch and I think

1016
00:44:16,600 --> 00:44:13,640
the more interesting question is for

1017
00:44:18,850 --> 00:44:16,610
someone like Connor who is about

1018
00:44:21,700 --> 00:44:18,860
Catholic and and Connor had to do a lot

1019
00:44:23,560 --> 00:44:21,710
of stuff that was very obviously

1020
00:44:25,150 --> 00:44:23,570
uncomfortable for him in the second

1021
00:44:27,730 --> 00:44:25,160
season because I don't think the rest of

1022
00:44:29,920 --> 00:44:27,740
us I mean listen I was raised

1023
00:44:34,270 --> 00:44:29,930
my dad's a Baptist minister I'm an

1024
00:44:36,130 --> 00:44:34,280
ordained minister he's not a huge fan of

1025
00:44:38,380 --> 00:44:36,140
the stuff that I'm into and I mean I

1026
00:44:41,890 --> 00:44:38,390
think I'm I'm I'm I guess I'm

1027
00:44:44,590 --> 00:44:41,900
functionally pagan these days which is a

1028
00:44:47,260 --> 00:44:44,600
big deal you know for someone you know

1029
00:44:48,880 --> 00:44:47,270
as religious as a religious person you

1030
00:44:50,830 --> 00:44:48,890
know that the further you get away from

1031
00:44:52,900 --> 00:44:50,840
your belief system that you were raised

1032
00:44:54,970 --> 00:44:52,910
with particularly if you're a Christian

1033
00:44:57,040 --> 00:44:54,980
there's always that little voice in the

1034
00:45:00,010 --> 00:44:57,050
back of your head that says oh you're

1035
00:45:03,130 --> 00:45:00,020
going to hell for this you know like you

1036
00:45:05,050 --> 00:45:03,140
know that that voice doesn't really

1037
00:45:08,530 --> 00:45:05,060
exist for me anymore after

1038
00:45:11,050 --> 00:45:08,540
hell you're to which people can figure

1039
00:45:12,610 --> 00:45:11,060
that out themselves but I think it's

1040
00:45:16,030 --> 00:45:12,620
more interesting to hear what Connor has

1041
00:45:17,530 --> 00:45:16,040
to say about having to be parts of a lot

1042
00:45:19,930 --> 00:45:17,540
of this stuff that's kind of

1043
00:45:23,200 --> 00:45:19,940
uncomfortable yeah please Congress you

1044
00:45:28,180 --> 00:45:23,210
share that with us no it's a good

1045
00:45:30,520 --> 00:45:28,190
question you know I I think and I and I

1046
00:45:32,230 --> 00:45:30,530
in a way I thought of a lot of the stuff

1047
00:45:35,320 --> 00:45:32,240
that Dana was doing as sort of being

1048
00:45:37,870 --> 00:45:35,330
like a megaphone where it's like Hello

1049
00:45:39,720 --> 00:45:37,880
phenomena like we are right here you

1050
00:45:42,400 --> 00:45:39,730
know so she's very good at sort of

1051
00:45:44,170 --> 00:45:42,410
giving these energies out into the world

1052
00:45:47,350 --> 00:45:44,180
through her own means and she's very

1053
00:45:50,890 --> 00:45:47,360
skilled at that sort of opening doorways

1054
00:45:52,900 --> 00:45:50,900
to communication so the curious seeker

1055
00:45:54,370 --> 00:45:52,910
in me was was interested to see what

1056
00:45:57,340 --> 00:45:54,380
happens

1057
00:46:01,300 --> 00:45:57,350
I think the sort of religious side of me

1058
00:46:03,430 --> 00:46:01,310
in a weird way felt some some comfort

1059
00:46:08,620 --> 00:46:03,440
and some intimidation off of what had

1060
00:46:10,540 --> 00:46:08,630
happened in episode 9 right but also you

1061
00:46:12,450 --> 00:46:10,550
know I think I was able to bring in a

1062
00:46:16,630 --> 00:46:12,460
little bit of my belief system as well

1063
00:46:19,060 --> 00:46:16,640
in some ways and I think that you know

1064
00:46:20,350 --> 00:46:19,070
there's a lot of more similarities than

1065
00:46:23,440 --> 00:46:20,360
people give credit

1066
00:46:25,300 --> 00:46:23,450
I think that Dana and I baby do come

1067
00:46:28,000 --> 00:46:25,310
from different ends of a spectrum but we

1068
00:46:29,620 --> 00:46:28,010
both meditate you know maybe when she's

1069
00:46:31,000 --> 00:46:29,630
meditating it's something else or she's

1070
00:46:33,160 --> 00:46:31,010
doing different chants you know when I

1071
00:46:35,140 --> 00:46:33,170
if I were to say the Rosary or something

1072
00:46:38,590 --> 00:46:35,150
like that it's it's very sort of similar

1073
00:46:40,990 --> 00:46:38,600
in that aspect in addition you know that

1074
00:46:42,220 --> 00:46:41,000
my faith system has our faith system

1075
00:46:44,470 --> 00:46:42,230
right has a whole bunch of strange

1076
00:46:47,050 --> 00:46:44,480
miraculous happenings throughout so I

1077
00:46:50,020 --> 00:46:47,060
think being a curious person I was like

1078
00:46:53,050 --> 00:46:50,030
okay let's let's see what happens I feel

1079
00:46:54,900 --> 00:46:53,060
you know protected and and comfortable

1080
00:46:57,730 --> 00:46:54,910
enough to sit here and be like well

1081
00:47:00,910 --> 00:46:57,740
something's talking to us let's see what

1082
00:47:03,820 --> 00:47:00,920
it is right you know there is a quote

1083
00:47:06,220 --> 00:47:03,830
and I want to attribute it to Father

1084
00:47:09,070 --> 00:47:06,230
Malachi Martin anyone who's a big

1085
00:47:10,800 --> 00:47:09,080
coast-to-coast am fan remembers Malachi

1086
00:47:13,090 --> 00:47:10,810
Martin some of the scariest episodes

1087
00:47:15,400 --> 00:47:13,100
wrote a book called hostage to the devil

1088
00:47:18,190 --> 00:47:15,410
and it was all about exorcisms

1089
00:47:20,710 --> 00:47:18,200
I want to attribute it to him forgive me

1090
00:47:22,930 --> 00:47:20,720
if I'm wrong but he said something once

1091
00:47:24,970 --> 00:47:22,940
somebody asked him you know well I'm of

1092
00:47:27,760 --> 00:47:24,980
this faith you know you work with people

1093
00:47:29,800 --> 00:47:27,770
of different faiths what how do you

1094
00:47:32,560 --> 00:47:29,810
reconcile this and he said there are

1095
00:47:35,290 --> 00:47:32,570
many paths to God and I like to think

1096
00:47:37,330 --> 00:47:35,300
about that because I think that I really

1097
00:47:39,580 --> 00:47:37,340
do think that's true I think we all have

1098
00:47:43,240 --> 00:47:39,590
our own path to the divine whatever we

1099
00:47:46,560 --> 00:47:43,250
decide the divine is and it's just again

1100
00:47:50,050 --> 00:47:46,570
it's that idea right of different lenses

1101
00:47:53,050 --> 00:47:50,060
viewing the same thing greatly and I

1102
00:47:56,020 --> 00:47:53,060
mean that's a beautiful even visual to

1103
00:47:59,800 --> 00:47:56,030
look at many paths to God you know I

1104
00:48:02,560 --> 00:47:59,810
mean no matter what your faith is in

1105
00:48:05,650 --> 00:48:02,570
somebody a mystery person who will

1106
00:48:08,680 --> 00:48:05,660
remain nameless says this later in your

1107
00:48:13,210 --> 00:48:08,690
series sometimes simpler is better and

1108
00:48:15,130 --> 00:48:13,220
when you look at that there's many paths

1109
00:48:17,880 --> 00:48:15,140
to get to the same sort of end point

1110
00:48:21,460 --> 00:48:17,890
it's so true you can make things as

1111
00:48:23,020 --> 00:48:21,470
difficult and complex as you want but at

1112
00:48:26,290 --> 00:48:23,030
the core of it like we're all trying to

1113
00:48:28,960 --> 00:48:26,300
get to the same thing but isn't that

1114
00:48:32,350 --> 00:48:28,970
really the story of Hellyer yes exactly

1115
00:48:33,890 --> 00:48:32,360
right we took so many paths but they all

1116
00:48:35,960 --> 00:48:33,900
seem to be leading to the same place

1117
00:48:38,420 --> 00:48:35,970
no matter how hard we try and take

1118
00:48:41,870 --> 00:48:38,430
another path it just reroute sit self

1119
00:48:43,370 --> 00:48:41,880
yeah yeah sort of wrapping up my my

1120
00:48:45,950 --> 00:48:43,380
personal questions guys have got some

1121
00:48:47,750 --> 00:48:45,960
awesome listener questions um Connor I

1122
00:48:48,830 --> 00:48:47,760
gotta ask you man uh more than the

1123
00:48:51,260 --> 00:48:48,840
technical side

1124
00:48:55,880 --> 00:48:51,270
I remember seeing photos of you and Carl

1125
00:48:58,700 --> 00:48:55,890
editing this beast of a project how how

1126
00:49:01,610 --> 00:48:58,710
in the hell do you begin to even string

1127
00:49:03,830 --> 00:49:01,620
together like a cohesive narrative or

1128
00:49:07,880 --> 00:49:03,840
story with everything you got shot I

1129
00:49:10,820 --> 00:49:07,890
would imagine like 30% of what you shot

1130
00:49:13,850 --> 00:49:10,830
is what we're seeing in the season yeah

1131
00:49:16,610 --> 00:49:13,860
absolutely there was you know we have

1132
00:49:18,950 --> 00:49:16,620
iPhone footage on all of our respective

1133
00:49:20,960 --> 00:49:18,960
phones that goes back to years you know

1134
00:49:22,880 --> 00:49:20,970
that we had to sort of pick and choose

1135
00:49:27,320 --> 00:49:22,890
how we're going to tell the story of

1136
00:49:29,510 --> 00:49:27,330
this insane case I will say you know 90%

1137
00:49:31,340 --> 00:49:29,520
of that falls on Carl he's the guy with

1138
00:49:32,930 --> 00:49:31,350
the footage and the guy with the clips

1139
00:49:36,110 --> 00:49:32,940
and the audio that's piecing it all

1140
00:49:39,950 --> 00:49:36,120
together in this brilliant way and he

1141
00:49:40,660 --> 00:49:39,960
spent night after night for a year and a

1142
00:49:43,340 --> 00:49:40,670
half

1143
00:49:46,640 --> 00:49:43,350
piecing this entire thing together a lot

1144
00:49:48,410 --> 00:49:46,650
of the front work happens you know

1145
00:49:50,540 --> 00:49:48,420
somebody had asked me this on Twitter as

1146
00:49:54,050 --> 00:49:50,550
well how do we keep these thoughts sort

1147
00:49:57,200 --> 00:49:54,060
of organized Carl and I chat would chat

1148
00:49:59,060 --> 00:49:57,210
and basically sort of we would write out

1149
00:50:00,830 --> 00:49:59,070
some questions for different interviews

1150
00:50:04,670 --> 00:50:00,840
that we want to get from everybody and

1151
00:50:06,980 --> 00:50:04,680
we would ask Greg Dana Tyler a lot of

1152
00:50:09,920 --> 00:50:06,990
the same questions and then what would

1153
00:50:12,500 --> 00:50:09,930
happen is they would give the answers we

1154
00:50:14,270 --> 00:50:12,510
would do Carl would create rough cuts of

1155
00:50:16,220 --> 00:50:14,280
the episodes and then we we could

1156
00:50:19,250 --> 00:50:16,230
clearly see where some blanks were and

1157
00:50:21,110 --> 00:50:19,260
so it would be like okay Connor can you

1158
00:50:23,000 --> 00:50:21,120
explain what this is you know we just

1159
00:50:25,700 --> 00:50:23,010
mentioned this we don't understand so I

1160
00:50:27,680 --> 00:50:25,710
sort of get the benefit of looking like

1161
00:50:31,760 --> 00:50:27,690
somebody who really knows exactly

1162
00:50:34,040 --> 00:50:31,770
everything I'm the last interview you

1163
00:50:38,270 --> 00:50:34,050
know who's like filling in all of the

1164
00:50:39,260 --> 00:50:38,280
plants and so it's it's a it's quite a

1165
00:50:42,160 --> 00:50:39,270
beast

1166
00:50:44,960 --> 00:50:42,170
to try and edit and Carl did a

1167
00:50:46,370 --> 00:50:44,970
fantastically good job and Greg did a

1168
00:50:47,120 --> 00:50:46,380
great job leading the interviews with

1169
00:50:48,710 --> 00:50:47,130
the witnesses and

1170
00:50:50,570 --> 00:50:48,720
Fields and I would write down all the

1171
00:50:52,130 --> 00:50:50,580
answers they were giving and highlight

1172
00:50:54,950 --> 00:50:52,140
different sections that I knew you know

1173
00:50:57,830 --> 00:50:54,960
would be good and things like that yeah

1174
00:51:00,770 --> 00:50:57,840
I think it has to be said hmm while on

1175
00:51:03,020 --> 00:51:00,780
the topic of this the when when Carl

1176
00:51:05,630 --> 00:51:03,030
said I want to release this November

1177
00:51:09,740 --> 00:51:05,640
29th I actually said to him are you nuts

1178
00:51:13,540 --> 00:51:09,750
I could not believe that he had because

1179
00:51:16,520 --> 00:51:13,550
here's the thing we we created two

1180
00:51:19,040 --> 00:51:16,530
seasons of a television show in a year

1181
00:51:22,430 --> 00:51:19,050
and the second one was twice as long as

1182
00:51:25,130 --> 00:51:22,440
the first one it's crazy to me that that

1183
00:51:29,150 --> 00:51:25,140
happened and so I think it really speaks

1184
00:51:32,090 --> 00:51:29,160
to the dedication and passion of Carl

1185
00:51:33,500 --> 00:51:32,100
and Conor like they they you know I was

1186
00:51:36,560 --> 00:51:33,510
a little jealous cuz they had camp

1187
00:51:38,450 --> 00:51:36,570
Helier for like a week where where Carl

1188
00:51:41,000 --> 00:51:38,460
brought all of his equipment over to

1189
00:51:44,120 --> 00:51:41,010
Conor's house and all they did was they

1190
00:51:46,640 --> 00:51:44,130
sat there and they edited and they they

1191
00:51:48,140 --> 00:51:46,650
brought Anthony the who did the score

1192
00:51:52,300 --> 00:51:48,150
they brought him over to fill in the

1193
00:51:54,800 --> 00:51:52,310
gaps and did so much work in just a week

1194
00:51:56,990 --> 00:51:54,810
because it had to be uploaded to Amazon

1195
00:52:00,410 --> 00:51:57,000
you know like two week with two weeks so

1196
00:52:02,510 --> 00:52:00,420
that they could review it it's insane

1197
00:52:04,960 --> 00:52:02,520
the amount of work particularly that

1198
00:52:07,310 --> 00:52:04,970
Carl and Conor did over the last year

1199
00:52:09,710 --> 00:52:07,320
absolutely and I mean I I know from

1200
00:52:12,080 --> 00:52:09,720
experience like that's no easy feat and

1201
00:52:15,110 --> 00:52:12,090
I mean meanwhile Carl was also working

1202
00:52:17,480 --> 00:52:15,120
with you phonetic travelling the country

1203
00:52:20,150 --> 00:52:17,490
doing that as well so I mean it's it's

1204
00:52:22,700 --> 00:52:20,160
it is insane that the timetable you guys

1205
00:52:24,920 --> 00:52:22,710
were able to do this in to get it out at

1206
00:52:27,520 --> 00:52:24,930
that deadline you set for yourselves and

1207
00:52:31,250 --> 00:52:27,530
also could you could you mention the the

1208
00:52:34,190 --> 00:52:31,260
score is again for us who did that

1209
00:52:36,470 --> 00:52:34,200
because my god that the score drove this

1210
00:52:37,520 --> 00:52:36,480
thing so well I was listening with

1211
00:52:40,340 --> 00:52:37,530
stereo headphones

1212
00:52:42,950 --> 00:52:40,350
and there are some little little things

1213
00:52:46,820 --> 00:52:42,960
in the background that I think if you

1214
00:52:50,630 --> 00:52:46,830
catch they add so much to it yeah so the

1215
00:52:54,880 --> 00:52:50,640
score was created by one of my bandmate

1216
00:52:58,670 --> 00:52:54,890
says his name is Anthony so stone he is

1217
00:53:00,529 --> 00:52:58,680
sort of a master of melody that I'm

1218
00:53:04,029 --> 00:53:00,539
really proud to know and

1219
00:53:06,140 --> 00:53:04,039
call a good friend so he essentially

1220
00:53:08,509 --> 00:53:06,150
created it based off of our

1221
00:53:11,959 --> 00:53:08,519
recommendations for scenes one of the

1222
00:53:14,089 --> 00:53:11,969
more difficult things that has to happen

1223
00:53:16,579 --> 00:53:14,099
during editing that they Carl did a lot

1224
00:53:18,979 --> 00:53:16,589
of is like you you watch it scene and

1225
00:53:21,949 --> 00:53:18,989
it's hard to tell where music should be

1226
00:53:23,870 --> 00:53:21,959
and where it shouldn't you know in order

1227
00:53:26,359 --> 00:53:23,880
to create a natural sort of narrative

1228
00:53:28,400 --> 00:53:26,369
way to do this so we would have these

1229
00:53:31,489 --> 00:53:28,410
sections and then Carl would sort of

1230
00:53:33,380 --> 00:53:31,499
siphon to me say this this part needs

1231
00:53:35,779 --> 00:53:33,390
something this part needs something and

1232
00:53:38,499 --> 00:53:35,789
then I would sort of provide Anthony

1233
00:53:41,659 --> 00:53:38,509
with these vague descriptors and and

1234
00:53:44,179 --> 00:53:41,669
different tones and possibilities and he

1235
00:53:46,219 --> 00:53:44,189
would send over four or five different

1236
00:53:47,779 --> 00:53:46,229
drafts of these songs until we sort of

1237
00:53:51,380 --> 00:53:47,789
put it in and Carl put it in was like

1238
00:53:53,150 --> 00:53:51,390
yep that's it and and so that is that

1239
00:53:55,849 --> 00:53:53,160
the way that that process worked over

1240
00:53:58,549 --> 00:53:55,859
the last six months or so in addition we

1241
00:54:00,799 --> 00:53:58,559
have a lot of great bands that were

1242
00:54:03,919 --> 00:54:00,809
willing to licence us some of their

1243
00:54:07,370 --> 00:54:03,929
music that really helps drive some of

1244
00:54:10,009 --> 00:54:07,380
the more intense moments so I was really

1245
00:54:12,559 --> 00:54:10,019
really proud of the way the soundtrack

1246
00:54:13,519 --> 00:54:12,569
came out yeah yeah it really brought a

1247
00:54:15,949 --> 00:54:13,529
whole other level

1248
00:54:16,880 --> 00:54:15,959
I know sunspot was one of them big

1249
00:54:19,339 --> 00:54:16,890
friends of theirs

1250
00:54:22,789 --> 00:54:19,349
so yeah you guys did a wonderful job

1251
00:54:25,039 --> 00:54:22,799
with that now moving to some listener

1252
00:54:27,469 --> 00:54:25,049
questions these are fun so our first

1253
00:54:28,939 --> 00:54:27,479
question comes from oh he this guy

1254
00:54:30,469 --> 00:54:28,949
definitely is not the first time he's

1255
00:54:36,380 --> 00:54:30,479
watched it Brice Johnson over at the

1256
00:54:39,559 --> 00:54:36,390
Bigfoot collectors of he asks where can

1257
00:54:43,640 --> 00:54:39,569
I find a reader's list or book list to

1258
00:54:45,349 --> 00:54:43,650
accompany Helier season two oh god we've

1259
00:54:46,909 --> 00:54:45,359
talked about this I think Connor was

1260
00:54:48,829 --> 00:54:46,919
especially concerned with putting one

1261
00:54:49,880 --> 00:54:48,839
together I think that's something you

1262
00:54:52,309 --> 00:54:49,890
know there's there's some unofficial

1263
00:54:53,539 --> 00:54:52,319
lists that are going on right now if you

1264
00:54:55,699 --> 00:54:53,549
scroll Twitter there's people who've

1265
00:54:57,679 --> 00:54:55,709
literally they've they've taken it upon

1266
00:54:59,479 --> 00:54:57,689
themselves to put together Amazon lists

1267
00:55:01,640 --> 00:54:59,489
so that you can look at it and just go

1268
00:55:03,739 --> 00:55:01,650
and get the book that you want but I

1269
00:55:05,809 --> 00:55:03,749
think we probably should put together an

1270
00:55:07,699 --> 00:55:05,819
official list full of stuff from maybe

1271
00:55:09,939 --> 00:55:07,709
seasons 1 & 2 what do you think Connor

1272
00:55:11,959 --> 00:55:09,949
yeah let's do it we'll do it this week

1273
00:55:14,370 --> 00:55:11,969
yeah like you guys don't have enough

1274
00:55:17,349 --> 00:55:14,380
going on you

1275
00:55:19,299 --> 00:55:17,359
what we want people to read that's like

1276
00:55:20,289 --> 00:55:19,309
it's funny I was I was arguing with

1277
00:55:22,210 --> 00:55:20,299
someone on Twitter today

1278
00:55:24,819 --> 00:55:22,220
and I said Hellyer's a show about

1279
00:55:26,680 --> 00:55:24,829
reading mm-hmm legitimately like it's

1280
00:55:29,410 --> 00:55:26,690
it's made more people go out and buy

1281
00:55:32,589 --> 00:55:29,420
books than any paranormal show I can I

1282
00:55:34,359 --> 00:55:32,599
can think of oh and if that's the if

1283
00:55:36,430 --> 00:55:34,369
that's the most that he'll your achieves

1284
00:55:38,890 --> 00:55:36,440
I think that's a fairly awesome thing

1285
00:55:41,049 --> 00:55:38,900
that people are going and buying books

1286
00:55:43,299 --> 00:55:41,059
and reading absolutely man we're gonna

1287
00:55:45,930 --> 00:55:43,309
get you guys on PBS to another Reading

1288
00:55:51,640 --> 00:55:49,239
MJ binaya so beretta tera obscura he

1289
00:55:54,220 --> 00:55:51,650
asks Connor a lot of people are

1290
00:55:56,140 --> 00:55:54,230
interested in the the Estes method and

1291
00:55:59,249 --> 00:55:56,150
what it's like being plugged into that

1292
00:56:01,509 --> 00:55:59,259
experiment so would you mind maybe I

1293
00:56:04,289 --> 00:56:01,519
know this is hard but give me like a

1294
00:56:06,549 --> 00:56:04,299
Cliff Notes version of what this is and

1295
00:56:08,620 --> 00:56:06,559
describe its purpose and what it

1296
00:56:11,890 --> 00:56:08,630
physically and mentally feels like when

1297
00:56:15,489 --> 00:56:11,900
you're doing that yeah the estes method

1298
00:56:19,089 --> 00:56:15,499
is something that carl our friend

1299
00:56:21,009 --> 00:56:19,099
Michelle and myself created while we

1300
00:56:23,289 --> 00:56:21,019
were working at the Stanley Hotel in

1301
00:56:25,960 --> 00:56:23,299
Estes Park Colorado

1302
00:56:29,499 --> 00:56:25,970
basically it combines a few different

1303
00:56:33,160 --> 00:56:29,509
things devices and things together to

1304
00:56:36,910 --> 00:56:33,170
allow for potential spirit or other

1305
00:56:38,460 --> 00:56:36,920
worldly etc communication basically what

1306
00:56:42,130 --> 00:56:38,470
we're doing is we're taking a simple

1307
00:56:45,729 --> 00:56:42,140
spirit box and in sb7 spirit box we're

1308
00:56:47,309 --> 00:56:45,739
plugging it in to totally sound really

1309
00:56:49,720 --> 00:56:47,319
well sound proofed headphones

1310
00:56:52,150 --> 00:56:49,730
drummers headphones which is an

1311
00:56:54,339 --> 00:56:52,160
essential part so that the the person

1312
00:56:56,349 --> 00:56:54,349
who's listening to the box cannot hear

1313
00:56:58,390 --> 00:56:56,359
anything that's going on around them

1314
00:57:00,489 --> 00:56:58,400
except for the box and then you

1315
00:57:02,499 --> 00:57:00,499
blindfold that person so that they're

1316
00:57:04,839 --> 00:57:02,509
completely isolated solely with the

1317
00:57:07,509 --> 00:57:04,849
sound of this spirit box you let the

1318
00:57:11,229 --> 00:57:07,519
person sit and listen and then they just

1319
00:57:13,690 --> 00:57:11,239
purely act as a megaphone saying the

1320
00:57:17,229 --> 00:57:13,700
words that they're hearing coming across

1321
00:57:19,599 --> 00:57:17,239
the device we started it because we got

1322
00:57:21,309 --> 00:57:19,609
tired of using spirit boxes when we were

1323
00:57:23,620 --> 00:57:21,319
looking for ghosts in the traditional

1324
00:57:26,170 --> 00:57:23,630
format Carl and I used to go around and

1325
00:57:28,270 --> 00:57:26,180
have people do tours with us and

1326
00:57:30,040 --> 00:57:28,280
felt like they weren't very legitimate

1327
00:57:31,960 --> 00:57:30,050
devices because people were hearing what

1328
00:57:34,150 --> 00:57:31,970
they wanted so it was like well let's

1329
00:57:38,080 --> 00:57:34,160
just have one person listen and then

1330
00:57:40,150 --> 00:57:38,090
suddenly that person a lot of people who

1331
00:57:43,630 --> 00:57:40,160
try it on seem to enter some sort of

1332
00:57:48,340 --> 00:57:43,640
bizarre psychical framework of mind

1333
00:57:50,470 --> 00:57:48,350
where they just become this I don't know

1334
00:57:52,180 --> 00:57:50,480
this transmutation occurs and it's and

1335
00:57:54,550 --> 00:57:52,190
it's very bizarre and it's something we

1336
00:57:56,560 --> 00:57:54,560
tried in Hellyer one works really well

1337
00:58:00,220 --> 00:57:56,570
and so we tried it a few different ways

1338
00:58:03,790 --> 00:58:00,230
in Hellyer - yeah yeah with some really

1339
00:58:06,040 --> 00:58:03,800
interesting results for sure so Rob

1340
00:58:09,340 --> 00:58:06,050
Kristofferson from the our strange skies

1341
00:58:11,110 --> 00:58:09,350
podcast he asks you guys is there any

1342
00:58:13,360 --> 00:58:11,120
footage that didn't make it into the

1343
00:58:16,300 --> 00:58:13,370
series that you wish had made it in I

1344
00:58:18,250 --> 00:58:16,310
know that's probably a lot but um yeah

1345
00:58:21,490 --> 00:58:18,260
anything really specific stand out to

1346
00:58:24,930 --> 00:58:21,500
either of you in terms of that holy cow

1347
00:58:28,390 --> 00:58:24,940
I know should we should we talk about

1348
00:58:30,430 --> 00:58:28,400
hypnosis stuff literally that's

1349
00:58:32,590 --> 00:58:30,440
literally what I was just gonna say nice

1350
00:58:36,040 --> 00:58:32,600
go you take this one Connor because this

1351
00:58:41,590 --> 00:58:36,050
is personal so when we did the hypnosis

1352
00:58:44,610 --> 00:58:41,600
experiment I went under as well but it

1353
00:58:47,890 --> 00:58:44,620
turned into a very personal experience

1354
00:58:49,720 --> 00:58:47,900
and also a very like it didn't

1355
00:58:51,550 --> 00:58:49,730
necessarily seem like there was so much

1356
00:58:56,680 --> 00:58:51,560
alien contact or contact with the

1357
00:58:58,270 --> 00:58:56,690
phenomena compared to Karl stuff I like

1358
00:59:01,270 --> 00:58:58,280
I said sort of practice some meditation

1359
00:59:04,660 --> 00:59:01,280
and practice the Estes method so maybe I

1360
00:59:06,040 --> 00:59:04,670
had good lubricant or whatever you want

1361
00:59:07,780 --> 00:59:06,050
to call it to just like kind of fall

1362
00:59:08,230 --> 00:59:07,790
under and it seemed like that's what

1363
00:59:13,360 --> 00:59:08,240
happened

1364
00:59:15,820 --> 00:59:13,370
it was pretty freaky to watch and I did

1365
00:59:17,980 --> 00:59:15,830
see an image at one point that may be

1366
00:59:21,610 --> 00:59:17,990
related to the case later on at least we

1367
00:59:23,830 --> 00:59:21,620
have the footage if we need it but yeah

1368
00:59:25,840 --> 00:59:23,840
putting Carl's in felt more relevant to

1369
00:59:28,120 --> 00:59:25,850
the storyline but mine was still

1370
00:59:31,120 --> 00:59:28,130
something that yeah it was pretty pretty

1371
00:59:32,920 --> 00:59:31,130
shocking and strange yeah maybe maybe

1372
00:59:37,750 --> 00:59:32,930
the special features we'll get to see

1373
00:59:39,820 --> 00:59:37,760
why Rob Kristofferson also asks when in

1374
00:59:44,050 --> 00:59:39,830
where can I get

1375
00:59:48,190 --> 00:59:44,060
Tyler strand action figure Oh God don't

1376
00:59:52,900 --> 00:59:48,200
encourage him he doesn't need it

1377
00:59:54,400 --> 00:59:52,910
no rod will consider it yeah I knew he'd

1378
00:59:57,010 --> 00:59:54,410
bring some levity to these lists hi

1379
00:59:59,200 --> 00:59:57,020
oceans Tyler strand has licensed us His

1380
01:00:01,630 --> 00:59:59,210
image in perpetuity forever

1381
01:00:05,250 --> 01:00:01,640
so we'll if we think we can make a buck

1382
01:00:08,860 --> 01:00:05,260
off of his likeness we'll do it awesome

1383
01:00:10,780 --> 01:00:08,870
that jawline there and why we call him

1384
01:00:13,420 --> 01:00:10,790
we call him action man he does some good

1385
01:00:17,980 --> 01:00:13,430
stuff out he's he goes everywhere he'll

1386
01:00:20,110 --> 01:00:17,990
go anywhere Tyler is one of the best

1387
01:00:22,720 --> 01:00:20,120
additions to the second season because

1388
01:00:25,060 --> 01:00:22,730
here's the thing again we're all very

1389
01:00:26,560 --> 01:00:25,070
nervous people we're a bunch of I think

1390
01:00:29,830 --> 01:00:26,570
it was last podcast on the left that

1391
01:00:34,150 --> 01:00:29,840
called a soft nerd people and it's true

1392
01:00:35,980 --> 01:00:34,160
so adding adding him to this group he is

1393
01:00:38,530 --> 01:00:35,990
actually he's added a lot of really

1394
01:00:41,650 --> 01:00:38,540
great forward momentum as you see as you

1395
01:00:45,250 --> 01:00:41,660
see in the argument that strand and I

1396
01:00:47,710 --> 01:00:45,260
have in Episode four strand is very much

1397
01:00:49,690 --> 01:00:47,720
who-who I was when I was like 10 years

1398
01:00:54,850 --> 01:00:49,700
ago right before I was jaded and cynical

1399
01:00:58,090 --> 01:00:54,860
and fat and scared strand strand argues

1400
01:01:00,460 --> 01:00:58,100
with me and I think argues with all of

1401
01:01:02,080 --> 01:01:00,470
us and pushes us to do things that make

1402
01:01:04,840 --> 01:01:02,090
us a little bit nervous so he's really

1403
01:01:06,940 --> 01:01:04,850
been a fantastic addition as as Action

1404
01:01:08,800 --> 01:01:06,950
Man and he's a really great researcher -

1405
01:01:11,800 --> 01:01:08,810
so he's a fantastic new addition

1406
01:01:14,410 --> 01:01:11,810
Gareth asks do you think this experience

1407
01:01:17,050 --> 01:01:14,420
was never about the goblins but an

1408
01:01:19,510 --> 01:01:17,060
exercise given to you in how to research

1409
01:01:21,130 --> 01:01:19,520
the paranormal do you see yourself

1410
01:01:24,160 --> 01:01:21,140
changing the way you research something

1411
01:01:26,110 --> 01:01:24,170
as opposed to methods before Hellyer I

1412
01:01:28,120 --> 01:01:26,120
know you both come from sort of a ghost

1413
01:01:31,710 --> 01:01:28,130
hunting background so what do you both

1414
01:01:37,140 --> 01:01:31,720
think about that personally yeah I'd say

1415
01:01:40,300 --> 01:01:37,150
yes - thumbs up you know it's funny the

1416
01:01:43,270 --> 01:01:40,310
entirety without giving away too much of

1417
01:01:46,300 --> 01:01:43,280
the ending but we're sort of continuing

1418
01:01:49,120 --> 01:01:46,310
this checklist and we're being very open

1419
01:01:50,650 --> 01:01:49,130
with it you know we're a little bit you

1420
01:01:52,120 --> 01:01:50,660
know we keep a lot to ourselves but

1421
01:01:53,380 --> 01:01:52,130
we're like you know what this is what's

1422
01:01:56,470 --> 01:01:53,390
happening see

1423
01:01:59,109 --> 01:01:56,480
our methods of looking into this which

1424
01:02:01,950 --> 01:01:59,119
is in a way a little bit intimidating to

1425
01:02:03,999 --> 01:02:01,960
sort of show a lot of the cards you know

1426
01:02:06,999 --> 01:02:04,009
but we put it out there and it's like

1427
01:02:09,640 --> 01:02:07,009
this is how we're going to look going

1428
01:02:12,460 --> 01:02:09,650
forward there's this you know hash tag

1429
01:02:16,239 --> 01:02:12,470
in this almost tongue-in-cheek joke of

1430
01:02:18,339 --> 01:02:16,249
the alien cave base task force and and

1431
01:02:20,529 --> 01:02:18,349
we love that it's now something that's

1432
01:02:23,979 --> 01:02:20,539
crowd-sourced out there

1433
01:02:26,589 --> 01:02:23,989
to say this is a real-time modern-day

1434
01:02:28,690 --> 01:02:26,599
high strangeness investigation here's

1435
01:02:31,930 --> 01:02:28,700
how you can help out and so it's giving

1436
01:02:33,880 --> 01:02:31,940
us instructions as to how to find

1437
01:02:37,690 --> 01:02:33,890
potential window areas and things like

1438
01:02:40,210 --> 01:02:37,700
that I would say that I wonder if there

1439
01:02:42,130 --> 01:02:40,220
were goblins in the first place look at

1440
01:02:45,489 --> 01:02:42,140
Greg talked about it earlier in this

1441
01:02:47,829 --> 01:02:45,499
interview how strange is his inbox you

1442
01:02:49,809 --> 01:02:47,839
know it is filled by the nature of

1443
01:02:52,599 --> 01:02:49,819
running the websites and doing the work

1444
01:02:54,999 --> 01:02:52,609
that he does with ghostly reports and

1445
01:02:57,220 --> 01:02:55,009
alien reports which he loves I know it's

1446
01:02:59,380 --> 01:02:57,230
it's wonderful but how often does a

1447
01:03:02,829 --> 01:02:59,390
report come out that says goblins and

1448
01:03:06,509 --> 01:03:02,839
that in turn was enough incentive to go

1449
01:03:10,960 --> 01:03:06,519
to go actually check it out in person

1450
01:03:14,099 --> 01:03:10,970
Helier isn't just about us now Helier is

1451
01:03:17,319 --> 01:03:14,109
a tool box and particularly Helier -

1452
01:03:21,489 --> 01:03:17,329
there's a very obvious set of tools that

1453
01:03:24,160 --> 01:03:21,499
we have been given by a hidden hand by

1454
01:03:26,859 --> 01:03:24,170
the phenomena whoever that we have

1455
01:03:28,690 --> 01:03:26,869
freely and willingly given to the rest

1456
01:03:30,759 --> 01:03:28,700
of the world and they can take what they

1457
01:03:33,249 --> 01:03:30,769
need they can leave the rest whether

1458
01:03:36,759 --> 01:03:33,259
that is buying a book that they never

1459
01:03:40,299 --> 01:03:36,769
would have read before or using the

1460
01:03:42,549 --> 01:03:40,309
estus method or you know using hypnosis

1461
01:03:45,009 --> 01:03:42,559
or looking at how things line up on a

1462
01:03:47,680 --> 01:03:45,019
map checking geomagnetic anomalies there

1463
01:03:50,349 --> 01:03:47,690
are so much there that people can take

1464
01:03:53,440 --> 01:03:50,359
and use for themselves so it hasn't just

1465
01:03:55,690 --> 01:03:53,450
changed the way that we investigate and

1466
01:03:58,390 --> 01:03:55,700
not just investigate but view the

1467
01:04:00,579 --> 01:03:58,400
phenomena as a whole it's changing the

1468
01:04:02,620 --> 01:04:00,589
way that the viewers view it - and I

1469
01:04:05,499 --> 01:04:02,630
think that's the that's a big point of

1470
01:04:06,790 --> 01:04:05,509
what we're doing and why frankly I think

1471
01:04:11,230 --> 01:04:06,800
Hellyer's is

1472
01:04:13,750 --> 01:04:11,240
is a quote-unquote unfit infecting

1473
01:04:17,020 --> 01:04:13,760
people as much as it is Leslie asks

1474
01:04:21,660 --> 01:04:17,030
since Helier two's release have any new

1475
01:04:24,550 --> 01:04:21,670
mysterious emails been received and also

1476
01:04:27,100 --> 01:04:24,560
has there been any backlash or threats

1477
01:04:35,830 --> 01:04:27,110
from townspeople or anyone since that

1478
01:04:39,010 --> 01:04:35,840
lease yeah yeah it's funny we not too

1479
01:04:42,370 --> 01:04:39,020
long before heli or two came out I

1480
01:04:45,400 --> 01:04:42,380
started getting lots of encrypted emails

1481
01:04:48,400 --> 01:04:45,410
sent from gorilla mail if anyone's

1482
01:04:51,490 --> 01:04:48,410
familiar with gorilla mail it it's an

1483
01:04:53,410 --> 01:04:51,500
inbox that exists for like an hour and

1484
01:04:55,300 --> 01:04:53,420
now you know we know a lot more about

1485
01:04:57,280 --> 01:04:55,310
tracing emails than we did in the first

1486
01:04:59,470 --> 01:04:57,290
season that's something that's something

1487
01:05:00,970 --> 01:04:59,480
we learned a lot about so when I get

1488
01:05:02,530 --> 01:05:00,980
these things the first thing I do is I

1489
01:05:05,410 --> 01:05:02,540
go all right I'm gonna go find this IP

1490
01:05:07,980 --> 01:05:05,420
address I'm gonna check the headers the

1491
01:05:10,480 --> 01:05:07,990
headers were obviously run through a VPN

1492
01:05:13,180 --> 01:05:10,490
and then through gorilla mail which is

1493
01:05:14,500 --> 01:05:13,190
anonymized anyway and sent through you

1494
01:05:20,520 --> 01:05:14,510
know an inbox that only exists for an

1495
01:05:23,590 --> 01:05:20,530
hour and they were pretty threatening

1496
01:05:26,380 --> 01:05:23,600
and essentially we're like they were

1497
01:05:29,440 --> 01:05:26,390
basically saying there's a thread in

1498
01:05:30,660 --> 01:05:29,450
season two that I know exists and you

1499
01:05:36,460 --> 01:05:30,670
better drop it

1500
01:05:39,010 --> 01:05:36,470
well we didn't drop it yeah so what

1501
01:05:43,440 --> 01:05:39,020
happens well I'm always looking for red

1502
01:05:48,160 --> 01:05:46,540
it is it's there's some intimidating

1503
01:05:50,109 --> 01:05:48,170
aspects to it and you know like Craig

1504
01:05:52,540 --> 01:05:50,119
said we've gotten good at this and in

1505
01:05:55,390 --> 01:05:52,550
terms of trying to track people down and

1506
01:05:59,080 --> 01:05:55,400
and internet and research and things

1507
01:06:01,540 --> 01:05:59,090
like that so we have what I also feel

1508
01:06:03,490 --> 01:06:01,550
some comfort in that is not a spoiler

1509
01:06:07,240 --> 01:06:03,500
necessarily because it's it's actually

1510
01:06:09,310 --> 01:06:07,250
in the series Allen greenfield tells us

1511
01:06:12,790 --> 01:06:09,320
he says you know you better ask me for a

1512
01:06:14,710 --> 01:06:12,800
word or a phrase or something that one

1513
01:06:16,660 --> 01:06:14,720
of these mysterious figures like Terry

1514
01:06:18,970 --> 01:06:16,670
might know that other people wouldn't

1515
01:06:20,120 --> 01:06:18,980
know so we have some potential

1516
01:06:25,670 --> 01:06:20,130
cross-checks if

1517
01:06:27,650 --> 01:06:25,680
needed but and it's a weird and bucks we

1518
01:06:29,570 --> 01:06:27,660
actually you know we we we've

1519
01:06:31,820 --> 01:06:29,580
democratized this process more than we

1520
01:06:33,740 --> 01:06:31,830
ever have but there are still a lot of

1521
01:06:35,360 --> 01:06:33,750
cards that we've held really close to

1522
01:06:37,790 --> 01:06:35,370
the chest the cool thing about Hellyer

1523
01:06:40,160 --> 01:06:37,800
too is when people finish the final

1524
01:06:41,390 --> 01:06:40,170
episode they are they're literally like

1525
01:06:44,080 --> 01:06:41,400
a month behind us

1526
01:06:47,170 --> 01:06:44,090
they're pretty much caught up to date

1527
01:06:51,140 --> 01:06:47,180
but there are a lot of things that just

1528
01:06:53,450 --> 01:06:51,150
either because of privacy reasons or to

1529
01:06:57,380 --> 01:06:53,460
maintain the integrity of the case or

1530
01:06:59,810 --> 01:06:57,390
for our own safety we've either obscured

1531
01:07:01,820 --> 01:06:59,820
a little bit or kept to ourselves so

1532
01:07:04,550 --> 01:07:01,830
that if somebody does come out of the

1533
01:07:08,900 --> 01:07:04,560
woodwork saying well I'm Terry wrist or

1534
01:07:11,320 --> 01:07:08,910
whatever we know what to ask to know

1535
01:07:14,270 --> 01:07:11,330
whether this person's jerking our chain

1536
01:07:16,850 --> 01:07:14,280
exactly I mean when you're out when the

1537
01:07:19,370 --> 01:07:16,860
scope is this big now and you're you're

1538
01:07:21,350 --> 01:07:19,380
broadcast across the world I mean

1539
01:07:22,850 --> 01:07:21,360
everyone and their mother is gonna come

1540
01:07:26,240 --> 01:07:22,860
out of the woodwork and either try to

1541
01:07:28,510 --> 01:07:26,250
pull a fast one on you guys or lead you

1542
01:07:32,300 --> 01:07:28,520
down a path that maybe is going to

1543
01:07:35,570 --> 01:07:32,310
dissing form you even yeah you know in

1544
01:07:39,470 --> 01:07:35,580
tough and I think on a on a smaller

1545
01:07:42,290 --> 01:07:39,480
scale and in a in a more a mundane scale

1546
01:07:44,210 --> 01:07:42,300
a benign is there's a lot of people they

1547
01:07:46,640 --> 01:07:44,220
see Helier and they see what's happening

1548
01:07:49,610 --> 01:07:46,650
and the thing is how there's a very

1549
01:07:50,960 --> 01:07:49,620
special thing it's special to us and I

1550
01:07:53,240 --> 01:07:50,970
think it's special to the people that it

1551
01:07:57,140 --> 01:07:53,250
resonates with we talk a lot about how

1552
01:07:59,930 --> 01:07:57,150
it calls to who it calls to and there's

1553
01:08:02,060 --> 01:07:59,940
a lot of folks who they want to insert

1554
01:08:05,420 --> 01:08:02,070
themselves into the narrative whether it

1555
01:08:07,250 --> 01:08:05,430
is something like you know I I've seen

1556
01:08:11,870 --> 01:08:07,260
Indrid cold or I have a psychic

1557
01:08:14,810 --> 01:08:11,880
impression or you know there's a lot or

1558
01:08:17,570 --> 01:08:14,820
I don't know Terry's my dad a literal

1559
01:08:21,440 --> 01:08:17,580
one that we've gotten before things like

1560
01:08:23,630 --> 01:08:21,450
that it's very difficult sometimes it's

1561
01:08:30,200 --> 01:08:23,640
very difficult sometimes to be like well

1562
01:08:32,480 --> 01:08:30,210
I don't believe you thank you for

1563
01:08:33,980 --> 01:08:32,490
wanting to be a part of this but I don't

1564
01:08:37,220 --> 01:08:33,990
believe you

1565
01:08:38,570 --> 01:08:37,230
there it's tough it's it's really tough

1566
01:08:41,030 --> 01:08:38,580
because there's a lot of that and now

1567
01:08:44,150 --> 01:08:41,040
that Helier has a much bigger it has a

1568
01:08:46,430 --> 01:08:44,160
much bigger net you know there there are

1569
01:08:47,930 --> 01:08:46,440
people that it calls to and do like

1570
01:08:50,660 --> 01:08:47,940
that's one of the craziest coolest

1571
01:08:52,490 --> 01:08:50,670
things about season two is people get to

1572
01:08:54,530 --> 01:08:52,500
see particularly in episode six

1573
01:08:57,050 --> 01:08:54,540
how many people reached out with

1574
01:08:59,300 --> 01:08:57,060
information the fact that we released

1575
01:09:02,930 --> 01:08:59,310
Helier for free the first season in

1576
01:09:04,970 --> 01:09:02,940
January became part of the case and so

1577
01:09:07,790 --> 01:09:04,980
we got tons I mean I got stacks of

1578
01:09:10,190 --> 01:09:07,800
emails that have information and some of

1579
01:09:13,640 --> 01:09:10,200
those led to some pretty big things in

1580
01:09:15,950 --> 01:09:13,650
season two so we never take that for

1581
01:09:17,780 --> 01:09:15,960
granted but what with that you know it's

1582
01:09:20,120 --> 01:09:17,790
the firsts the first episodes titled

1583
01:09:21,740 --> 01:09:20,130
noise and signal here we're gonna end

1584
01:09:25,010 --> 01:09:21,750
guys with the four most popular

1585
01:09:28,610 --> 01:09:25,020
questions I got asked for you guys the

1586
01:09:31,730 --> 01:09:28,620
first one being is John Tenney going to

1587
01:09:35,120 --> 01:09:31,740
be in the show this season can't answer

1588
01:09:36,860 --> 01:09:35,130
that can we go you know if the phenomena

1589
01:09:39,650 --> 01:09:36,870
wants John Tenney to be in the show

1590
01:09:41,990 --> 01:09:39,660
he'll he'll be in the show yeah yeah I

1591
01:09:44,390 --> 01:09:42,000
can leave it at that I mean if he was

1592
01:09:46,580 --> 01:09:44,400
meant to be a part of this journey he is

1593
01:09:50,300 --> 01:09:46,590
but I guess he'll just have to watch to

1594
01:09:52,160 --> 01:09:50,310
see mmm what else do we got okay most

1595
01:09:54,830 --> 01:09:52,170
popular question number two what do you

1596
01:09:58,550 --> 01:09:54,840
both hope that audiences will take away

1597
01:10:01,520 --> 01:09:58,560
from Helier I want people to be willing

1598
01:10:03,890 --> 01:10:01,530
to talk with each other I'm hoping that

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he'll uris able to break down walls that

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exists between the crypto crowd the

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01:10:14,090 --> 01:10:10,770
ghost crowd the UFO crowd and sort of

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01:10:15,500 --> 01:10:14,100
becomes this you know people hate on it

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01:10:17,180 --> 01:10:15,510
because it's a mesh of all these

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01:10:19,520 --> 01:10:17,190
different things but the majority of

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01:10:21,950 --> 01:10:19,530
people find that that's a a pretty

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01:10:23,450 --> 01:10:21,960
beautiful mixture so I would I would

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01:10:27,050 --> 01:10:23,460
hope that it elicits and starts

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01:10:30,080 --> 01:10:27,060
conversations I I wanted to reinterred

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01:10:31,640 --> 01:10:30,090
I want people to I want people to look

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01:10:33,170 --> 01:10:31,650
at the world differently I want them to

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01:10:34,850 --> 01:10:33,180
pay attention to the synchronicities in

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01:10:36,410 --> 01:10:34,860
their lives and see what those

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01:10:40,100 --> 01:10:36,420
synchronicities might mean to them I

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01:10:44,570 --> 01:10:40,110
want them to consider extraterrestrials

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01:10:47,899 --> 01:10:44,580
and ancient gods and the the the estus

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01:10:52,040 --> 01:10:47,909
method I want it to become

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01:10:54,500 --> 01:10:52,050
a bar that has been set that now once

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01:10:56,110 --> 01:10:54,510
people have seen it they have to they

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01:10:57,770 --> 01:10:56,120
have to go and try these things

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01:11:00,110 --> 01:10:57,780
particularly if they're paranormal

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01:11:04,189 --> 01:11:00,120
investigators I mean we run in a world

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01:11:05,600 --> 01:11:04,199
of paranormal investigators and frankly

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01:11:09,140 --> 01:11:05,610
I think that the water is pretty

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01:11:11,300 --> 01:11:09,150
stagnant man and I I think there's a lot

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01:11:13,820 --> 01:11:11,310
of stuff that we we try very hard to

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01:11:15,200 --> 01:11:13,830
present in Hellyer that I hope will

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01:11:18,590 --> 01:11:15,210
shake things up and I hope will make

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01:11:22,070 --> 01:11:18,600
people consider ideas that maybe they

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01:11:22,970 --> 01:11:22,080
wouldn't consider before because there's

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01:11:25,100 --> 01:11:22,980
no movement

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01:11:26,660 --> 01:11:25,110
I haven't felt really any movement I

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01:11:28,850 --> 01:11:26,670
mean one of the last things that excited

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01:11:31,370 --> 01:11:28,860
part of the reason I loved Carl and

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01:11:33,320 --> 01:11:31,380
Connor so much is what they did with the

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01:11:35,030 --> 01:11:33,330
esses method I thought that was like the

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01:11:38,240 --> 01:11:35,040
coolest most innovative thing I've seen

1637
01:11:39,560 --> 01:11:38,250
in so long and so you know that type of

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01:11:41,689 --> 01:11:39,570
thing resonated with me and there's so

1639
01:11:43,910 --> 01:11:41,699
many experiments in the second season

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01:11:45,919 --> 01:11:43,920
that people have never seen before or

1641
01:11:48,320 --> 01:11:45,929
have never been attempted before and I'd

1642
01:11:49,910 --> 01:11:48,330
love to see people take those and run

1643
01:11:51,979 --> 01:11:49,920
with it build on it

1644
01:11:55,790 --> 01:11:51,989
Riaan chant the world stop being so

1645
01:11:59,689 --> 01:11:55,800
cynical and see how big and beautiful

1646
01:12:02,000 --> 01:11:59,699
and wonderful the world becomes when you

1647
01:12:04,700 --> 01:12:02,010
just decide to be open to things that

1648
01:12:06,620 --> 01:12:04,710
maybe scared you or maybe confused you

1649
01:12:10,370 --> 01:12:06,630
or maybe you didn't even believe in

1650
01:12:13,490 --> 01:12:10,380
before I love that and in in

1651
01:12:16,310 --> 01:12:13,500
relationship sort of opening up one of

1652
01:12:18,649 --> 01:12:16,320
our last questions here is for you both

1653
01:12:21,290 --> 01:12:18,659
personally what doers do you think maybe

1654
01:12:23,990 --> 01:12:21,300
you were able to close when it came to

1655
01:12:30,260 --> 01:12:24,000
Helier if any carp connor how about you

1656
01:12:37,669 --> 01:12:30,270
oh man I think that the door inhaler was

1657
01:12:40,370 --> 01:12:37,679
already closed when we got there and so

1658
01:12:42,939 --> 01:12:40,380
instead we were knocking on the door to

1659
01:12:47,570 --> 01:12:42,949
see if it would open and then were

1660
01:12:49,760 --> 01:12:47,580
presented with some more doors to walk

1661
01:12:51,890 --> 01:12:49,770
through so I'm not sure we're

1662
01:12:54,800 --> 01:12:51,900
necessarily the ones that are that are

1663
01:12:58,459 --> 01:12:54,810
in in control of that I think that our

1664
01:13:01,640 --> 01:12:58,469
goal is to find and peek through as much

1665
01:13:04,610 --> 01:13:01,650
as we can while it's active and open

1666
01:13:06,200 --> 01:13:04,620
yeah my favorite thing about Helier and

1667
01:13:08,540 --> 01:13:06,210
particularly the group that we've put

1668
01:13:10,729 --> 01:13:08,550
together in Helier is we're all very

1669
01:13:13,280 --> 01:13:10,739
different people from very different

1670
01:13:15,410 --> 01:13:13,290
backgrounds and we we we argue and we

1671
01:13:17,090 --> 01:13:15,420
disagree on things sometimes but at the

1672
01:13:20,120 --> 01:13:17,100
end of the day I think we're all very

1673
01:13:23,000 --> 01:13:20,130
interested in the same thing and we are

1674
01:13:25,189 --> 01:13:23,010
greater than the sum of our parts all

1675
01:13:29,180 --> 01:13:25,199
right guys here we go the number one

1676
01:13:34,459 --> 01:13:29,190
most asked question will there be a

1677
01:13:37,610 --> 01:13:34,469
season three of I don't know

1678
01:13:42,020 --> 01:13:37,620
watch hell you're a million times by the

1679
01:13:44,689 --> 01:13:42,030
merch download the soundtrack and tell

1680
01:13:48,110 --> 01:13:44,699
absolutely every single person you can

1681
01:13:51,260 --> 01:13:48,120
to go watch Helier to love Helier to

1682
01:13:55,490 --> 01:13:51,270
rate and review Helier on Amazon Prime

1683
01:13:57,290 --> 01:13:55,500
and maybe the ACB TF will return someday

1684
01:13:58,570 --> 01:13:57,300
oh I love it

1685
01:14:04,490 --> 01:13:58,580
see that's spoken like a true

1686
01:14:06,200 --> 01:14:04,500
independent creative well I guess one

1687
01:14:08,689 --> 01:14:06,210
more question guys where can we find

1688
01:14:11,800 --> 01:14:08,699
Heller and all the work that you're both

1689
01:14:16,280 --> 01:14:11,810
up to Hellyer can be found currently on

1690
01:14:18,680 --> 01:14:16,290
Amazon Prime that is where we you know

1691
01:14:20,419 --> 01:14:18,690
no whole work no holding back here

1692
01:14:23,890 --> 01:14:20,429
that's where we prefer people to watch

1693
01:14:27,260 --> 01:14:23,900
it if possible it will be released

1694
01:14:30,709 --> 01:14:27,270
internationally on YouTube on December

1695
01:14:32,570 --> 01:14:30,719
13th as of right now this recording of

1696
01:14:36,260 --> 01:14:32,580
this pocket of this of this interview it

1697
01:14:40,430 --> 01:14:36,270
is a hell and Amazon Prime exclusive so

1698
01:14:42,740 --> 01:14:40,440
just search Hellyer h-e-l-l-o ER and

1699
01:14:46,189 --> 01:14:42,750
then also you can follow each of us on

1700
01:14:49,580 --> 01:14:46,199
on our respective socials my personal

1701
01:14:52,280 --> 01:14:49,590
one is at Connor J Randall so we are try

1702
01:14:54,110 --> 01:14:52,290
to be as as conversa v' as we can and

1703
01:14:56,270 --> 01:14:54,120
sit and and chat with everybody about

1704
01:14:58,220 --> 01:14:56,280
this case that we're all all involved in

1705
01:15:00,320 --> 01:14:58,230
oh absolutely you guys are so giving

1706
01:15:01,910 --> 01:15:00,330
with their time on your social networks

1707
01:15:04,490 --> 01:15:01,920
which again I think is part of this

1708
01:15:06,919 --> 01:15:04,500
whole thing is you slowly bringing

1709
01:15:09,860 --> 01:15:06,929
everyone in I think I can speak for all

1710
01:15:12,890 --> 01:15:09,870
of the people who have watched like you

1711
01:15:14,110 --> 01:15:12,900
are part of this now you don't have a

1712
01:15:17,020 --> 01:15:14,120
choice you are

1713
01:15:19,630 --> 01:15:17,030
of this ritual going on so accept it

1714
01:15:22,750 --> 01:15:19,640
watch it and Greg where could we find

1715
01:15:26,650 --> 01:15:22,760
more of what you're up to in people are

1716
01:15:30,130 --> 01:15:26,660
interested in and me or Dana they can go

1717
01:15:31,720 --> 01:15:30,140
to they can go to the pair of pair amuse

1718
01:15:32,140 --> 01:15:31,730
iam calm that's got a lot of stuff about

1719
01:15:33,760 --> 01:15:32,150
us

1720
01:15:37,300 --> 01:15:33,770
we're very easy to find I think all of

1721
01:15:38,950 --> 01:15:37,310
us Carl Connor Tyler Connor we're really

1722
01:15:41,350 --> 01:15:38,960
easy to find on social media just look

1723
01:15:43,990 --> 01:15:41,360
for us and we're super interactive all

1724
01:15:46,750 --> 01:15:44,000
of us are super interactive and we want

1725
01:15:49,150 --> 01:15:46,760
to talk with you we want what we want to

1726
01:15:51,280 --> 01:15:49,160
engage engage the strange baby engage

1727
01:15:53,560 --> 01:15:51,290
the strange guys please use the hashtag

1728
01:15:55,900 --> 01:15:53,570
Hellyer on Twitter while you're watching

1729
01:15:58,390 --> 01:15:55,910
this let let all of the group know what

1730
01:16:00,690 --> 01:15:58,400
you think I'm just gonna say this this

1731
01:16:03,580 --> 01:16:00,700
sort of hanging guys you you're changing

1732
01:16:05,530 --> 01:16:03,590
sort of the way we consume but I guess

1733
01:16:08,230 --> 01:16:05,540
more importantly experienced paranormal

1734
01:16:10,990 --> 01:16:08,240
themed television media and how we can

1735
01:16:14,410 --> 01:16:11,000
sort of build upon research find new

1736
01:16:16,690 --> 01:16:14,420
approaches so as someone who's been in

1737
01:16:19,420 --> 01:16:16,700
the UFO field for a while now in seeing

1738
01:16:22,000 --> 01:16:19,430
how stagnant things can become I mean

1739
01:16:24,550 --> 01:16:22,010
this was this whole Helier experience

1740
01:16:27,460 --> 01:16:24,560
has been such a breath of fresh air for

1741
01:16:30,520 --> 01:16:27,470
someone who was strictly nuts and bolts

1742
01:16:33,700 --> 01:16:30,530
ufology so I got a thank you for that

1743
01:16:36,610 --> 01:16:33,710
for getting us all involved initiated

1744
01:16:38,410 --> 01:16:36,620
like I said and guys I honestly I can't

1745
01:16:39,880 --> 01:16:38,420
wait to see where it goes next so thank

1746
01:16:42,880 --> 01:16:39,890
you thank you thank you for coming on

1747
01:16:45,610 --> 01:16:42,890
dear I am thank you for having us man

1748
01:16:47,250 --> 01:16:45,620
also it's little teaser guys once you

1749
01:16:49,870 --> 01:16:47,260
get to the final episode of Hellyer

1750
01:16:51,640 --> 01:16:49,880
you're gonna maybe want to watch through

1751
01:16:57,410 --> 01:16:51,650
the credits that's all I'm gonna say

1752
01:17:02,240 --> 01:16:59,450
that's it for this week's episode again

1753
01:17:05,090 --> 01:17:02,250
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01:17:07,520 --> 01:17:05,100
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01:17:10,450 --> 01:17:07,530
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01:17:12,590 --> 01:17:10,460
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01:18:02,900 --> 01:18:00,780
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1778
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1779
01:18:08,150 --> 01:18:06,180
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1782
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1784
01:18:21,110 --> 01:18:19,110
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1785
01:18:24,050 --> 01:18:21,120
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1786
01:18:24,540 --> 01:18:24,060
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